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devel-hunt schreef:
Volgens mij klopt het wel dat Kiss 19 miljoen platen in Noord-Amerika heeft verkocht, waarvan het overgrote deel in de jaren 70. Alive 1 is 5 miljoen keer over de toonbank gegaan, mega veel , zeker voor een live plaat, hetgeen betekent dat de overige 14 miljoen verkoopcijfers zijn van hun andere platen. Vergeet niet dat hun platen uit de periode 1980/2009 absoluut geen Amerikaanse kaskrakers waren. Een blik op oude hitlijsten laat gewoon zien dat, met uitzondering van Alive 1, Kiss platen ook weer niet zo'n hitlijsten succes waren. Hun reputatie hebben ze vooral te danken aan hun live spectakel, hetgeen de verkopen van Alive verklaart. 19 miljoen is een bijzonder respectabel aantal overigens.


KISS heeft ongeveer 37,5 miljoen platen verkocht in Noord-Amerika en wereldwijd 100 miljoen.

KISS (Platinum) - 1974 Chart Peak: #87 (6/13/74) with 16 weeks on charts.

Hotter Than Hell (Platinum) - 1974 Chart Peak: #100 (12/27/74) with 15 weeks on charts.

Dressed To Kill (Platinum) - 1975 Chart Peak: #32 (6/16/75) with 29 weeks on charts.

Alive! (5x Platinum), Chart Peak: #9 (12/20/75) with 110 weeks on charts.

Destroyer (Platinum) - Chart Peak: #11 (5/15/76) with 78 weeks on charts.

Rock And Roll Over (2x Platinum) - 1976 Chart Peak: #11 (12/25/76) with 46 weeks on charts.

Love Gun (3x Platinum) - 1977 Chart Peak: #4 (7/30/77) with 26 weeks on charts.

Alive II (3x Platinum) - 1977 Chart Peak: #7 (1/7/78) with 33 weeks on charts.

Double Platinum (Platinum) - 1978 Chart Peak: #22 (7/1/78) with 24 weeks on charts.

Gene Simmons (Platinum) - 1978 Chart Peak: #22 (1/6/79) with 22 weeks on charts.

Ace Frehley (Platinum) - 1978 Chart Peak: #26 (1/13/79) with 23 weeks on charts.

Peter Criss (Platinum) - 1978 Chart Peak: #43 (11/25/78) with 20 weeks on charts.

Paul Stanley (Platinum) - 1978 Chart Peak: #40 (12/16/78) with 18 weeks on charts.

Dynasty (2x Platinum) - 1979 Chart Peak: #9 (7/22/79) with 25 weeks on charts.

Unmasked (Gold) - 1980 Chart Peak: #35 (7/26/80) with 14 weeks on charts.

Music From The Elder (Gold) - 1981 Chart Peak: #75 (1/23/82) with 11 weeks on charts.

Creatures Of The Night (Gold) - 1982 Chart Peak: #45 (1/29/83) with 19 weeks on charts.

Lick It Up (Platinum) - 1983 Chart Peak: #24 (11/12/83) with 27 weeks on charts.

Animalize (2x Platinum) - 1984 Chart Peak: #19 (12/1/84) with 37 weeks on charts.

Asylum (Platinum) - 1985 Chart Peak: #20 (11/16/85) with 29 weeks on charts.

Crazy Nights (Platinum) - 1987 Chart Peak: #18 (10/31/87) with 34 weeks on charts.

Smashes, Thrashes & Hits (2x Platinum) - 1988 Chart Peak: #21 (1/21/89) with 27 weeks on charts.

Hot In The Shade (Gold) - 1989 Chart Peak: #29 (11/25/89) with 36 weeks on charts.

Revenge (Gold) - 1992 Chart Peak: #6 (6/6/92) with 23 weeks on charts.

Alive III (Gold) - 1993 Chart Peak: #9 (6/5/93) with 12 weeks on charts.

MTV Unplugged (Platinum) - 1996 Chart Peak: #15 (3/30/96) with 10 weeks on charts.

You Wanted The Best, You Got The Best!! (Platinum) - 1996 Chart Peak: #17 (7/13/96) with 11 weeks on charts.

Psycho Circus (Gold) - 1998 Chart Peak: #3 (10/1/98) with 14 weeks on charts.

The Boxset (Gold) - 2001 Chart Peak: #128 (11/28/01) with 1 week on charts.

To be continued....

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Je doet wel erg je best om mij te overtuigen dat Kiss een verkoop heeft van honderden miljoenen. Ik vind de 19 miljoen heel logisch. Als jouw logica gevolgt zal worden hebben The Eagles 500 miljoen platen verkocht, en de beatles 2 miljard in Noord-Amerika. Want waarom zal dat dan alleen voor Kiss gelden? Bovendien zijn de hitsuccessen zoals jij zelf allemaal neer pent niet erg indrukwekkend. Waardoor ik RIAA als enige juiste bron neem.

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devel-hunt schreef:
Je doet wel erg je best om mij te overtuigen dat Kiss een verkoop heeft van honderden miljoenen. Ik vind de 19 miljoen heel logisch. Als jouw logica gevolgt zal worden hebben The Eagles 500 miljoen platen verkocht, en de beatles 2 miljard in Noord-Amerika. Want waarom zal dat dan alleen voor Kiss gelden? Bovendien zijn de hitsuccessen zoals jij zelf allemaal neer pent niet erg indrukwekkend. Waardoor ik RIAA als enige juiste bron neem.


Ik kan geloof ik beter tegen een muur praten

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Hey All,

We're about four days from finishing the new KISS album. Eleven tracks, and it IS everything I've told you. It IS classic. It IS all written within the band. And IT ROCKS BIG TIME! Tommy and Eric both handle lead vocals. The songs, sound and playing will knock your socks off. You will all be as proud and excited as we all are. Oh...and WAIT till you see the cover!

We ARE just getting started!

Paul

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THE NEW KISS ALBUM...
- is already recorded!
- is produced by Paul Stanley
- is a classic '70s style record
- all songs were written by members of the band
- includes 11 songs
- one song is called "Rotten to the core", which is a new song and not the old demo of the same name
- both Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer sing lead vocals on one track
- the cover will be done by the designer who already did the "Rock and Roll Over" cover
- has already a title, but is kept secret so far
- will be released in September
- will be available in the USA exclusively through Wal Mart stores

LocoHermano
Von Helsing schreef:

- is produced by Paul Stanley


slecht teken. Live To Win deel II? Ik hoop het niet


- is a classic '70s style record


zeiden ze bij Psycho Circus ook. Destroyer meets Revenge werd toen gezegd.


- one song is called "Rotten to the core", which is a new song and not the old demo of the same name


Godzijdank niet de demo.


- both Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer sing lead vocals on one track


Ik hou m'n hart vast


- the cover will be done by the designer who already did the "Rock and Roll Over" cover


Heel goed!


- will be available in the USA exclusively through Wal Mart stores


Hebben wij geen last van.


Conclusie: Ik heb geen hoge verwachtingen, dus het kan alleen maar meevallen.

LocoHermano
Waarschijnlijk ben ik in september in New York. Ben benieuwd of de heren hetzelfde doen als AC/DC. Wal-Mart opende op Times Square een tijdelijke winkel puur voor de release van Black Ice. Zou natuurlijk te gek zijn als Simmons en Stanley er ook zijn

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Ik verwacht er ook weinig van maar ben wel blij dat dit keer geen zeurpieten als Desmond Child, Andreas Carlsson, Diana Warren de liedjes meepennen.

Als je in september in New York, probeer dan naar Letterman te gaan. KISS zal de avond voor de release de show afsluiten.

Kaartjes zijn te bemachtigen via de website van CBS.

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MESSAGE FROM ERIC

NO BALLADS, NO SLOW SONGS, NO FILLERS!

You Wanted The Best ?

Well the wait is almost over...

I have been hearing KISS fans say for a longtime that "All's we want is NEW KISS music" ... Well, sometimes wishes do come true !

Last December Paul called me up saying he wanted to make a new KISS record. He seemed very keen and was very specific about the approach to our latest endeavors.

He basically said he wanted us to make a KISS record and music in the purest sense. Meaning No outside writers, the BAND plays on everything, and we use vintage equipment.

Guess what ?

The end result is everything I could have hoped for.

I have to say this has been the most fun and pleasure making a record I have ever been involved in. The chemistry and overall vibe really made for such a great atmosphere and the playing, sounds and songs just really capture what KISS is all about. Classic Rock & Roll.

As we were working up song ideas everyone was very in tune and conscious of our goals at all times. Gene and Paul would retrace their steps from the past and focused on paying tribute to their roots of the early styles of Classic KISS by paying close attention to the way they sang and the sounds of the instruments.

The camaraderie between everyone and especially Gene and Paul really made it easy for all to bring the best out of each other.

Paul took the reigns and headed up the project like the leader that he has been for over 35 years but, this time with a renewed, inspired and very patient style (he is a great dad after all). He really knew what he wanted from each of us individually and collectively.

We did the 11 new songs in small batches by getting into a rehearsal studio first to work up ideas. We then would move to the recording studio. The recordings would entail all of us playing "live" together in the room. As we captured each performance we would then add extra guitar parts and usually put a guide vocal on the track so we could live with it for a few days and make sure the tempos and vibe was right.

By the way we used NO click tracks on this record I am proud to say. We really went for capturing the live feel and essence of each song. And, Paul, Gene, Tommy and myself are the only musicians playing these songs. A true band effort and performance !

As for the songs ?

Well, no ballads, no slow songs, no filler...

The band really has come full circle.

Just pure straight ahead Rock and Roll that has all the elements that made you love KISS from day one.

Everyone sings lead on a song (Tommy and myself) and even trade off vocal lines and parts throughout the record.

Believe me the wait IS over and well worth it !

I hope you all enjoy listening to it as much as we did making it...

More as it happens !

ERIC

en eentje van Gene:

Our new album (title of which you'll just have to wait a bit longer for) is just a few steps from being completely done. We're planning on re-visiting one of the eleven songs, to make sure it's gotten everything it deserves. Maybe re-arranging it one last time. Then, time to mix.

The entire writing and recording process of the album harkened back to an earlier, more innocent time. A time that produced albums such as ROCK AND ROLL OVER and LOVE GUN. And, the new songs have that feeling, I have to say.

It all started with a point of view Paul had. The view had to do with ignoring the times, ignoring the critics, not over thinking who and what we are...and that we had nothing to prove to anyone....nothing. We have been releasing albums and touring for 35 years and why wouldn't we want to do an "honest" record. Just do it!!! And, he wanted to produce the album himself!!!

While it's true in the past we had produced KISS records together. And we had both produced other acts outside of KISS. But here was Paul saying he wanted to shoulder the responsibility and burden of steering the good ship KISS on his own.

He was serious. And, I saw it was real. I saw the commitment he was going to make to the album and the band... and I agreed. We all trusted each other and saw the same vision of the band...and perhaps democracy is overrated...and sooner or later, someone had to decide.

And I will tell you here and now, he's done a great job.

The process of writing songs involved both writing separately, but often, in hotel rooms and rehearsal halls, literally starting from scratch and throwing riffs and chords at each other. Then working on melody and lyric...starting alone, then bringing it into the rehearsal halls and even during recording, we would often critique the lyrics all the way down to the last minute.

Tommy really stepped up in the songwriting area....co-wrote some songs with us and actually sings his first song on a KISS album.

Eric, likewise was always encouraging and of course, provided his always dependable bombastic drumming style. But unlike other drummers, Eric is also a great singer. Wait until you hear him tear it up on his lead vocal.

What else, you ask?

Well, Paul and I trade vocals on a few tunes and had a lot to say about each other's songs...

Result? Maybe the best record we've done in 30 years.

Bold statement? You bet.

Wait till you hear it.

GENE

Het gerucht gaat dat het album "Sonic Boom" gaat heten.

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Well the brand new KISS studio album is almost ready to go - actually more like ready to EXPLODE! We finished recording last week, with the exception of one tune that needs an hour or so more --- I have to tell you it KICKS!

Paul has done a fantastic job keeping everyone in line and the direction clear. As you might have heard, all the tunes were written within the band and recorded analog -- which means hot, heavy and rockin' in the classic sense!

We definitely didn't over-think it.

From the beginning stages of writing, rehearsing and arranging the tunes, to putting the trax down on tape, we went with our GUT... kept it raw and real. We didn't go more than two or three takes when we recorded the basic tracks, which by-the-way, we recorded with all four of us together -- which is a rare (or non-existent) occurrence with bands in this modern digital age. We had a laugh when we were tracking the 11th and very last tune and Eric said, we have to get this in two or three takes like all the others or it ain't no good!

The true test for how new tunes hold up is when you play them live. As everybody probably knows, we haven't played any of these brand-new songs in concert, but we did run a few of them at our sound check in Milwaukee last week. Yep, you guessed right... They SCORCHED! Our tour crew guys were like, HOLY S**T, what was that?!!

It's been a gas doing this record with Paul, Eric and Gene -- truly a collaborative effort! I told the guys the other day that in my humble opinion, this is by far the most cohesive sounding record KISS has made in a long, long time -- meaning that ALL the tunes are great, the sound kicks my ass, and it all fits together perfectly as an album.

IT DON'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT!

Can't wait for you to hear it... You're gonna LOVE it!

TOMMY

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THIS IS KISS. CLASSIC KISS! (from KISSonline)
If you been reading KISSONLINE, it's no surprise to you now. We ARE done recording our new album.
What might well be a surprise is that at the least, the album is right up there with our best. As much as we may have tried at some other times to achieve this, the chemistry, line-up or lack of total commitment from everyone might have been cause for it being impossible. Not now. Not this time.
I know that when you hear it you will agree.
Before we began the album, I said I was only interested in doing it if I produced and we followed set ground rules; Total commitment by everyone, pure guitar driven KISS, no outside writers, no outside players and my opinion and say would always be final.
All said yes and I know we'd all say we've never had more fun together.
All four of us made this our priority. Everyone was involved everyday. From the first day of writing to the last day of recording everyone was there giving 100% to making this the album we knew we had in us. I've never seen Gene more selfless (yes...Gene!), focused or harder working. His bass playing, songs and overall contribution help to make this the album you've wanted for so long. Without his spirit, this wouldn't have been possible.
As far as Tommy's guitar playing, he took this chance at bat to consistently hit it out of the park. His playing is fiery and rooted firmly in our history, while making his own mark. Tommy's singing, writing contributions and total involvement made clear what's been missing for so long.
In the twenty years I've known Eric, I've never seen him this relaxed or creative. His playing is the foundation of our next step forward. Relentless and full of spit and swagger. Many lead singers don't have Eric's chops or range. He's singing great on his track and all over the album.
Wait till you hear what we've got for you.
Do I sound proud of everyone and what we've done together? I am, and I should be.
Eleven songs. Eleven winners.
This IS KISS. Classic KISS.
It's been a long time coming.
PAUL

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KISS bassist/vocalist Gene Simmons has told The Canadian Press that the band's new album, which is due this fall, will feature such songtitles as "Russian Roulette", "Modern Day Delilah" and "Stand".

Lead guitarist Tommy Thayer will write and sing his first song on the album, while drummer Eric Singer will also get his first opportunity to sing a lead vocal on an original song.

Simmons also promises there were no outside writers working on the Paul Stanley-produced disc.

And as for the sound of the album?

"No strings, no keyboards, no synths, no tambourines, no nothing -- just meat and potatoes," Simmons said.

According to Simmons, KISS is planning on taking some time off toward the end of the summer.

"We have a lot going on, I mean there's KISS M&Ms, there's KISS Dr. Pepper, there's KISS everything, soon it's gonna be Planet Kiss," Simmons notes.

In late September, the band will head out on its North American tour, which Simmons promises will include a return trip north of the border. "We're gonna hit Canada again," Simmons said, "because you've been very bad and you need to be punished."

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July 29, 2009
KISS ALBUM LISTENING
Yesterday Kiss invited the press into the studio to listen to some songs from the new album.

Here is what Guitar Player Magazine/Editorboy wrote on Facebook:

Heard 5 songs. If you dig KISS, you're gonna dig this new album. Paul sings his ass off. Eric plays some amazingly powerful drums. Gene was finally made to play all of his bass parts (apparently, in the past, if someone had a cool bass idea, he let them play it), and he DOES have a pretty driving sound. Finally, Paul and Tommy's guitars sound HUGE -- with some fab riffs and '70s-style solos

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KISS' much-anticipated new album is rumored to be entitled "Sonic Boom". The editor of Guitar Player magazine, who had a chance to preview five songs off the LP last week, wrote on Facebook that this was the title "they had on the studio TV monitors while they were playing the audio files." In addition, an update on MelodicRock.com's Twitter account states that the album, which has a tentative release date of October 6, will be issued as a triple-disc set through Wal-Mart featuring the new album, a CD of re-recorded KISS hits (which was recently released in Japan), and a DVD. However, it should be noted that none of this information has yet been corroborated by an official source and should be treated as a rumor only.

The editor of Guitar Player magazine wrote about the new KISS material, "Paul [Stanley, KISS guitarist/vocalist] sings his ass off. Eric [Singer] plays some amazingly powerful drums. Gene [Simmons] was finally made to play all of his bass parts (apparently, in the past, if someone had a cool bass idea, he let them play it), and he DOES have a pretty driving sound. Finally, Paul and Tommy's [Thayer] guitars sound HUGE — with some fab riffs and '70s-style solos."

Songtitles set to appear on the new KISS CD include "Russian Roulette", "Modern Day Delilah" and "Stand".

Thayer wrote and sang his first song on the album, while Singer also got his first opportunity to sing a lead vocal on an original song.

Simmons recently told The Canadian Press that there were no outside writers working on the Paul Stanley-produced disc. He also described the album's sound as "no strings, no keyboards, no synths, no tambourines, no nothing — just meat and potatoes."

Simmons confirmed during a recent radio appearance that a deal is in the works with Wal-Mart that will result in an "entire section" of the giant retailer's stores across the country (apparently dubbed "Kiss Korner") being dedicated to KISS.

There has been no official announcement of a KISS deal with Wal-Mart for the band's next CD, although artists such as THE EAGLES and AC/DC have both issued recent albums exclusively through the giant retailer. In addition, AEROSMITH guitarist Joe Perry may have inadvertently let it slip that the band's next studio album will come out exclusively through Wal-Mart.

LocoHermano
Staat Guitar Player bekend als een kritisch blad, of zijn het van die gasten die alles goed vinden wanneer ze iets voor een officiele release mogen horen?

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Volgens mij zijn het wel serieuze journalisten. Ik kan mij nauwelijks voorstellen dat KISS nog goede rock songs kan produceren, maar we weten het over twee maanden. Geen ballades, geen broodschrijvers betrokken, en Gene weer aan het bassen is positief maar als het 11 songs zijn die klinken als een variant op I Pledge .... en Raise Your Glasses (van Psycho Circus) is het natuurlijk ook weer een kutplaat....

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Classic Rock can confirm that the new Kiss album will be called Sonic Boom – and we’ve got the full tracklisting. Not only that, but we’ve heard six of the album’s 11 songs!

Classic Rock’s Geoff Barton was invited to an exclusive preview of the new Kiss album this afternoon, in the convivial company of Doc McGhee, the band’s manager.

“Kiss promised to deliver a back-to-their-roots album and that’s exactly what we’ve got,” Barton reports. “Recorded in the old-fashioned, analog way, it sounds spectacularly good – no ProTools nonsense in evidence here.

“The interesting thing is, it’s not simply a homage the band’s first few albums. There are even nods to records such as [1982’s] Creatures Of The Night, which had Vinnie Vincent, Bob Kulick and others guesting on guitar. Kiss seem to have cleverly combined the best of all their eras into a single winning package.”

McGhee confirmed that Sonic Boom will be available exclusively through Wal-Mart stores in the US, as part of a package including a disc of re-recorded Kiss classics (already available in Japan) and a live DVD. The album is due for release on October 6.

“I actually wanted to make Sonic Boom available as a download for a dollar, but I was overruled,” McGhee chuckled.

“I still think it’s a great idea. Millions of people would’ve downloaded it, I guarantee. At just a dollar a throw, it would’ve been the bargain of the century.”

McGhee is delighted that Kiss decided to play to their strengths on Sonic Boom. “It’s exactly want people want: the classic Kiss sound played by the band looking like they’ve always done. Kiss are like James Bond or Mickey Mouse. They’re an amazing brand and they’ll likely go on forever.

“When I took over management of Kiss in the mid-1990s, that was my major plan: to get the band back to basics.

“I mean,” McGhee laughed, “when Kiss had a squirrel in their line-up – what was the hell was that all about?”

The full tracklisting of Sonic Boom is:

1. Modern Day Delilah
2. Russian Roulette
3. Never Enough
4. Yes I Know (Nobody’s Perfect)
5. Stand
6. Hot & Cold
7. All The Glory
8. Danger Us
9. I’m An Animal
10. When Lightning Strikes
11. Say Yah

Here’s our quickfire reaction to the six songs we heard:

Modern Day Delilah
Based around a lumbering, War Machine-style rhythm, Paul Stanley’s vocals sound top-notch and timeless, almost like they’ve been sampled from Kiss Alive! Meanwhile, Tommy Thayer’s guitar work is straight out of the Ace Frehley riff book. At a concise 3:35 in length, this is a perfect slam-bang beginning to the new album.

Russian Roulette
Gene Simmons takes the vocals on this one; it’s an archetypal lumbering, grumbling, pummelling offering, made all the better by the addition of a signature ‘ah-ah-ah-ah’ chant-line. The lyrics are simplistic but effective: ‘This is Russian Roulette… one pull of the trigger is all you’re gonna get… you feel the hunger and it’s much too much… go on take a bite.’ To a fan of classic Kiss, that’s sheer poetry.

Never Enough
You’re know you’re on to a winner immediately as this one begins with a time-honoured Stanley shout of… wait for it… ‘Woah yeah!’ This is a much jauntier offering than the preceding two tracks, recalling the more commercial, 1980s side of Kiss. The song has a real reach-for-the-sky spirit, full of uplifting phrases such as ‘rules just for breaking’, ‘life for the taking’ and (you guessed it) ‘love ’til I’m shaking’.

Yes I Know (Nobody’s Perfect)
Another three minutes of perfection. A light-hearted, hyper-commercial tune with Simmons at the mic-stand again, offering a gruff ‘YEAH’ (capital letters, natch) followed by the inevitable invitation: ‘C’mon baby, take off your clothes.’ There’s no word on whether Simmons kept his T-shirt on, however.

Stand
Our favourite so far; a proper anthem recalling the crowd-rousing grandeur of God Gave Rock’N’Roll To You. Stanley delivers the words ‘Stand by my side, I’ll be next to you/Stand by my side, we’ll make it through/Stand by my side, we’ll get by, you and I’ with consummate Starchild passion. This one just grows and grows… and then offers a neat false ending with some soft, CSN&Y-style harmonies (yes, really) before picking up the pace once more.

I’m An Animal
Full of giant, stalking menace, this is based around a dense, Zeppelinesque riff. Thayer plays a marvellous slick-but-stumbling Frehley solo, and you can rest assured the lyrics – ‘I’m an animal and I’m free… I’m an animal in the street’ – don’t refer to an old lady with her poodle off the leash. Late in the song, the band issue the urge: ‘Stand up, raise your fists.’ Little do they know, we’ve been doing that since track one

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Empyrium schreef:
Ik heb iets van 200 cd's van KISS, solo's en dergelijke en natuurlijk het een en ander op vinyl.

Ben jij wellicht "de man met een hobby"?

LocoHermano
Ik doe, zeker na het teleurstellende Psycho Circus, hard m'n best niet te hoge verwachtingen te kweken, maar dat voorschot op Modern Day Delilah klinkt verdomd lekker, net als Outer Space van good old Ace. Kan! Niet! Wachten!

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L_T_B schreef:
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Ben jij wellicht "de man met een hobby"?


Misschien 20 jaar geleden maar nu laat ik mijn leven niet meer leiden door mannen van 60 in spandex.

Neemt niet weg dat ik heel content ben met de nieuwe singles van zowel KISS als Ace.

LocoHermano
Heb een te gekke demo (Something Wicked This Way Comes) gevonden op youtube die ik nog niet eerder had gehoord.

YouTube - KISS Something Wicked This Way Comes

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Bij KISS - Sonic Boom (2009):

Kronos schreef:
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Ik vind dat beide bands nog erg geïnspireerd uit de hoek komen en het nog steeds beter doen dan vele nieuwe bandjes met veel meer pretentie.

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Dat is in strijd met wat je eerder schreef, dat Psycho Circus erg slecht was.

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Ach ja.


Dat is natuurlijk niet in strijd met wat ik zei, met "en telkens komen ze sterker uit de strijd", ik bedoel hiermee niet met elke nieuw album, want ze hebben menig bagger plaatje op hun naam staan die ook niet zo goed verkocht bovendien. Maar een slecht plaatje , zoals Psycho Circus, is niet gelijk het einde van de band.

En zo zijn ze al vaker afgescheven, ik heb nog een artikel uit 1989, uit het blad Meltdown (later WATT) waarin het einde van KISS werd voorspelt omdat Hot in the Shade op weinig goede reacties kon rekenen en de tour destijds werd geannuleerd (het blad wist toen nog niet dat er op HITS een US top 10 hit zou staan de tour de meest succesvolle werd in Amerika), dus ik bedoel maar.......

20 jaar later weten wij waar KISS staat, maar waar de heren van Meltdown zijn gebleven.......geen idee.

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Ach, KISS veegt de vloer aan met k*tbandjes als AC/DC en de Stones.

AC/DC is hardrock voor de stoere ambtenaar die ook denkt te rocken, dat zie je al terug op MUmE.

africalove
1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles
2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys
3. Revolver, The Beatles
4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan
5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles
6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye
7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones
8. London Calling, The Clash
9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan
10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles

Dit zijn "De Kutbandjes " die boven aan staan in de Rolling Stone 500 beste albums aller tijden ik geloof dat Destroyer op 496 staat. de Stones staan er tien keer in, en hebben ook ongeveer tien keer meer voor de muziek betekend.

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Je gaat toch niet in een KISS topic citeren uit de Rolling Stone, dat is vloeken in de kerk. Rolling Stone is ook bagger namelijk en hebben meerdere malen in de clinch gelegen met KISS.

Jeetje, je bent wel heel ver weg gedreven van je KISS verleden, africalove.

En ik heb het natuurlijk over The Rolling Stones van ná Black N Blue. zeg maar de periode 1975-2009.

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Von Helsing schreef:

[...]Dat de mensen snel vergeten blijkt straks uit de verkoopcijfers, als KISS straks hun eerste #1 in Amerika te pakken heeft. Dat is de kracht van KISS, ze geven nooit en te nimmer op. De band is al zo vaak afgeschreven en telkens komen ze sterker [...]


Sorry, maar dat is nu echt wel het belachelijkste argument waarmee je op de proppen kunt komen bij het feit of dat een album goed is. De best verkopende amerikaanse muzikant (aller tijden!) in de U.S. is Garth Brooks

Dat zegt voor mij genoeg over je parameter. Als je dan toch verkoopscijfers als argument wil gebruiken, wacht ik liever even af wat de plaat hier gaat doen... maar toch vertrouw ik liever op mijn eigen gehoor!

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Ik zeg alleen dat KISS nog niet is afgeschreven, zoals vaak wordt gedacht.

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Cabeza Borradora schreef:
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Sorry, maar dat is nu echt wel het belachelijkste argument waarmee je op de proppen kunt komen bij het feit of dat een album goed is. De best verkopende amerikaanse muzikant (aller tijden!) in de U.S. is Garth Brooks

Dat zegt voor mij genoeg over je parameter. Als je dan toch verkoopscijfers als argument wil gebruiken, wacht ik liever even af wat de plaat hier gaat doen... maar toch vertrouw ik liever op mijn eigen gehoor!


Hoe de plaat in het land van de Bauers en de Toppers het doet interesseerd mij weer een stuk minder.

africalove
Bij KISS - Sonic Boom (2009):

Dat ze destijds meer verkochten dan de Beatles en de Stones is ook een argument dat graag door meneer Simmons wordt gebruikt. Alsof ze zich op atistiek niveau ooit met deze grootheden hebben kunnen meten. Pretentieloos vermaak is meer het devies, maar dat gezeik over de Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame is dan erg ongepast. Kiss heeft niets vernieuwends gebracht, en Simmons brand het instituut maar af omdat hij waarschijnlijk die eer nooit krijgt, alhoewel ik wel gelezen heb dat ze weer voorgedragen zijn. En dan vinden ze het helemaal tof natuurlijk.

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africalove schreef:
Dat ze destijds meer verkochten dan de Beatles en de Stones is ook een argument dat graag door meneer Simmons wordt gebruikt. Alsof ze zich op atistiek niveau ooit met deze grootheden hebben kunnen meten. Pretentieloos vermaak is meer het devies, maar dat gezeik over de Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame is dan erg ongepast. Kiss heeft niets vernieuwends gebracht, en Simmons brand het instituut maar af omdat hij waarschijnlijk die eer nooit krijgt, alhoewel ik wel gelezen heb dat ze weer voorgedragen zijn. En dan vinden ze het helemaal tof natuurlijk.


Je feitenkennis is niet zo groot merk ik al.

Gene heeft KISS nooit groter genoemd dan The Beatles of The Rolling Stones. Sterker nog, hij vind dat wat hij doet van geen enkel belang is en de rol van leraren, artsen, loodgieters vele malen groter is dan die van een rockstar. Het enige wat hij wilt is jou geld, vóór en ná je dood. Vandaar de KISS casket.

Wat Gene wel vaak laat vallen is de kreet "AMERICA'S #1 GOLD RECORD GROUP CATEGORY CHAMPION OF ALL TIME", maar deze zin klopt ook, althans, tot twee jaar terug. Momenteel heeft Aerosmith er eentje meer dan KISS.

Kijk, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, AC/DC etc zijn geen Amerikaanse bands, en Elvis Presley, Elton John, etc zijn solo artiesten.

Wat Gene zegt klopt dus, KISS is (en nu was) de Amerikaanse band met de meeste gouden platen op hun naam.

Dat jij dat niet snapt...

En wat de Rock And Roll Hall of Fame betreft, KISS wordt toch niet voorgedragen in Maart. In de jury zitten namelijk 500 mensen die er verstand van schijnen te hebben en de meeste komen uit het kamp van Rolling Stone magazine. Je weet wel dat blad die voorspelde in 1974 dat KISS na een half jaar al weer vergeten zou zijn.

RARHOF? Liever niet, de originele bezetting heeft een uitnodiging ontvangen en ik denk dat Gene & Paul daar nu even niet op zitten te wachten om met Ace & Peter wederom het podium op te stappen. Moeten ze Vinnie Vincent nu wel of niet uitnodigen en bedanken voor zijn bijdrage terwijl Vinnie zijn oude makkers wederom heeft gedagvaard?

Gast
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