@Dwejkk_

Toen ik de link opende stond er nog niet gereserveerd.
Ik zal in het vervolg eerst zeggen dat ik bezig ben om dit te voorkomen.

Ronde 1 - Ladder 1:

+67 Underworld - Dark & Long +5
+66 Therapy? - Nowhere +7
+48 Pet Shop Boys - Go West
+39 Tin Machine - You Belong in Rock 'n Roll +1
+32 Julian Cope - Beautiful Love +4
+29 David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise
+24 Sass Jordan - Make You a Believer +3
+17 Megadeth - Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
+11 Wet Wet Wet - Love is all around
+7 Romeo - Coming Home

Ronde 1 - Ladder 2:

+90 Björk - Army of Me +5
+76 Talk Talk - After the Flood +7
+48 Raymond Van Het Groenewoud - 2 Meisjes +4
+45 Type O Negative - My Girlfriend's Girlfriend
+33 Janet Jackson - Together Again
+26 Freek de Jonge - Leven Na de Dood +1
+16 Artificial Joy Club - Sick & Beautiful +3
+11 UB40 - (I Can't Help) Falling in Love with You
+10 Celine Dion - Think Twice
+5 Tommy Henriksen - I See the Sun

Deadline 23.00 uur

Af en toe een ware crime om de diverse nummers van deze 2 ladders te beluisteren.

Ronde 1 - Ladder 1:

+74 Underworld - Dark & Long +7
+69 Therapy? - Nowhere +3
+48 Pet Shop Boys - Go West
+40 Tin Machine - You Belong in Rock 'n Roll +1
+36 Julian Cope - Beautiful Love +4
+34 David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise +5
+24 Sass Jordan - Make You a Believer
+17 Megadeth - Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
+11 Wet Wet Wet - Love is all around
+7 Romeo - Coming Home

Ronde 1 - Ladder 2:

+97 Björk - Army of Me +7
+79 Talk Talk - After the Flood +3
+48 Raymond Van Het Groenewoud - 2 Meisjes
+50 Type O Negative - My Girlfriend's Girlfriend +5
+33 Janet Jackson - Together Again
+26 Freek de Jonge - Leven Na de Dood
+20 Artificial Joy Club - Sick & Beautiful +4
+11 UB40 - (I Can't Help) Falling in Love with You
+11 Celine Dion - Think Twice +1
+5 Tommy Henriksen - I See the Sun

Deadline 23.00 uur


Zeg dat wel. Tijdrovend klusje ook. Veel brandhout in die tweede ladder: nooit gedacht dat ik Celine Dion nog eens een plusje zou geven.

Laten we het houden op de macht der gewoonte. Excusé moi.

Ronde 1 - Ladder 1:

+81 Underworld - Dark & Long +7
+69 Therapy? - Nowhere
+53 Pet Shop Boys - Go West +5
+44 Tin Machine - You Belong in Rock 'n Roll +4
+36 Julian Cope - Beautiful Love
+37 David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise +3
+25 Sass Jordan - Make You a Believer +1
+17 Megadeth - Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
+11 Wet Wet Wet - Love is all around
+7 Romeo - Coming Home

Ronde 1 - Ladder 2:

+102 Björk - Army of Me +5
+86 Talk Talk - After the Flood +7
+48 Raymond Van Het Groenewoud - 2 Meisjes
+50 Type O Negative - My Girlfriend's Girlfriend
+36 Janet Jackson - Together Again +3
+26 Freek de Jonge - Leven Na de Dood
+24 Artificial Joy Club - Sick & Beautiful +4
+12 UB40 - (I Can't Help) Falling in Love with You +1
+11 Celine Dion - Think Twice
+5 Tommy Henriksen - I See the Sun

Deadline 23.00 uur

Waarom staat er bij Raymond Van Het Groenewoud 2 Meisjes? Het is toch gewoon Meisjes?

Meisjes en 2 Meisjes zijn verschillende nummers, wel verwarrend

zie/luister hier:

YouTube - Raymond van het Groenewoud TWEE MEISJES

Ik heb gestemd met dat andere nummer in gedachten: maakt niet uit deze bevalt me ook prima.

Ik zie nu dat beide nummers mee doen

Ronde 1 - Ladder 1:

+86 Underworld - Dark & Long +5
+73 Therapy? - Nowhere +4
+53 Pet Shop Boys - Go West
+47 Tin Machine - You Belong in Rock 'n Roll +3
+36 Julian Cope - Beautiful Love
+37 David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise
+26 Sass Jordan - Make You a Believer +1
+17 Megadeth - Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
+14 Romeo - Coming Home +7 (Sorry hoor, maar geen van deze nummers verdient 7 punten)
+11 Wet Wet Wet - Love is all around


Ronde 1 - Ladder 2:

+107 Björk - Army of Me +5
+93 Talk Talk - After the Flood +7
+52 Raymond Van Het Groenewoud - 2 Meisjes +4
+50 Type O Negative - My Girlfriend's Girlfriend
+37 Janet Jackson - Together Again ( Dat dansje ongeveer bij 1:00 heeft mijn dag weer goed gemaakt) +1
+27 Artificial Joy Club - Sick & Beautiful +3
+26 Freek de Jonge - Leven Na de Dood
+12 UB40 - (I Can't Help) Falling in Love with You
+11 Celine Dion - Think Twice
+5 Tommy Henriksen - I See the Sun

Deadline 23.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 1:

+87 Underworld - Dark & Long +1
+76 Therapy? - Nowhere +3
+57 Pet Shop Boys - Go West +4
+47 Tin Machine - You Belong in Rock 'n Roll
+37 David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise
+36 Julian Cope - Beautiful Love
+33 Sass Jordan - Make You a Believer +7
+19 Romeo - Coming Home +5
+17 Megadeth - Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
+11 Wet Wet Wet - Love is all around


Ronde 1 - Ladder 2:

+112 Björk - Army of Me +5
+97 Talk Talk - After the Flood +4
+52 Raymond Van Het Groenewoud - 2 Meisjes
+50 Type O Negative - My Girlfriend's Girlfriend
+44 Janet Jackson - Together Again +7
+30 Artificial Joy Club - Sick & Beautiful +3
+27 Freek de Jonge - Leven Na de Dood +1
+12 UB40 - (I Can't Help) Falling in Love with You
+11 Celine Dion - Think Twice
+5 Tommy Henriksen - I See the Sun

Deadline 23.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 1:

+92 Underworld - Dark & Long +5
+83 Therapy? - Nowhere + 7
+57 Pet Shop Boys - Go West
+48 Tin Machine - You Belong in Rock 'n Roll + 1
+41 David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise +4
+39 Julian Cope - Beautiful Love + 3
+33 Sass Jordan - Make You a Believer
+19 Romeo - Coming Home
+17 Megadeth - Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
+11 Wet Wet Wet - Love is all around


Ronde 1 - Ladder 2:

+119 Björk - Army of Me +7
+102 Talk Talk - After the Flood +5
+53 Raymond Van Het Groenewoud - 2 Meisjes + 1
+50 Type O Negative - My Girlfriend's Girlfriend
+48 Janet Jackson - Together Again +4
+30 Artificial Joy Club - Sick & Beautiful
+27 Freek de Jonge - Leven Na de Dood
+15 UB40 - (I Can't Help) Falling in Love with You + 3
+11 Celine Dion - Think Twice
+5 Tommy Henriksen - I See the Sun

Deadline 23.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 1:

+97 Underworld - Dark & Long +5
+87 Therapy? - Nowhere +4
+57 Pet Shop Boys - Go West
+51 Tin Machine - You Belong in Rock 'n Roll +3
+48 David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise +7
+40 Julian Cope - Beautiful Love +1
+33 Sass Jordan - Make You a Believer
+19 Romeo - Coming Home
+17 Megadeth - Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
+11 Wet Wet Wet - Love is all around


Ronde 1 - Ladder 2:

+123 Björk - Army of Me +4
+107 Talk Talk - After the Flood +5
+54 Raymond Van Het Groenewoud - 2 Meisjes +1
+57 Type O Negative - My Girlfriend's Girlfriend +7
+48 Janet Jackson - Together Again
+30 Artificial Joy Club - Sick & Beautiful
+30 Freek de Jonge - Leven Na de Dood +3
+15 UB40 - (I Can't Help) Falling in Love with You
+11 Celine Dion - Think Twice
+5 Tommy Henriksen - I See the Sun

Deadline 23.00 uur

Pff..... wat is ladder 3 sterk zeg, Slowdive komt niet eens aan punten. En dan kan je bij ladder 4 weer zwemmen in een zee van draken.

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+7 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy
+5 2Pac - Changes
+4 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge
+3 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+1 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
Monster Magnet - Spacelord
Portishead - Roads
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing
Slowdive - Catch the Breeze

Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

+7 Everything But the Girl - Missing
+5 Culture Beat - Mr Vain
+4 Metal Molly - Orange
+3 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night
+1 Queen - Heaven for Everyone
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her
Meredith Brooks - Bitch
Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart

Deadline: 17.00

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+14 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +7
+6 2Pac - Changes +1
+5 Portishead - Roads +5
+4 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +4
+4 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge
+3 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel +3
+3 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+1 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
Monster Magnet - Space Lord
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

+14 Everything But the Girl - Missing +7
+9 Metal Molly - Orange +5
+5 Culture Beat - Mr Vain
+4 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +1
+4 Meredith Brooks - Bitch +4
+4 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +3
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her
Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart

Deadline 17.00 uur

+18 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +4
+12 Portishead - Roads +7
+6 2Pac - Changes
+9 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge +5
+6 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel +3
+4 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze
+3 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+2 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You +1
Monster Magnet - Space Lord
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

+19 Everything But the Girl - Missing +5
+16 Metal Molly - Orange +7
+7 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +2
+5 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +1
+4 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night
+4 Meredith Brooks - Bitch
+3 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart +3
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her


Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+22 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +4
+15 Portishead - Roads +3
+14 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge +5
+11 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +7
+6 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
+6 2Pac - Changes
+3 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+3 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You +1
Monster Magnet - Space Lord
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4: aERodynamIC geeft een +2 i.p.v. +4

+23 Everything But the Girl - Missing +4
+23 Metal Molly - Orange +7
+9 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +5
+8 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +1
+6 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart +3
+5 Queen - Heaven for Everyone
+4 Meredith Brooks - Bitch
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+29 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +7
+19 Portishead - Roads +4
+14 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge
+11 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze
+8 Polvo - Fast Canoe +5
+7 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel +1
+6 2Pac - Changes
+6 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You +3
Monster Magnet - Space Lord
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4: aERodynamIC geeft een +2 i.p.v. +4

+30 Everything But the Girl - Missing +7
+27 Metal Molly - Orange +4
+13 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +5
+9 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night
+8 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +3
+6 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
+5 Meredith Brooks - Bitch +1
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+36 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +7
+24 Portishead - Roads +5
+17 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge + 3
+12 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze + 1
+10 2Pac - Changes + 4
+8 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+7 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
+6 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
Monster Magnet - Space Lord
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4: pas

+30 Everything But the Girl - Missing
+27 Metal Molly - Orange
+13 Culture Beat - Mr Vain
+9 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night
+8 Queen - Heaven for Everyone
+6 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
+5 Meredith Brooks - Bitch
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

correctie (het wennen wil maar niet lukken ):

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+36 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy
+24 Portishead - Roads
+17 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge
+12 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze
+10 2Pac - Changes
+8 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+7 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
+6 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
Monster Magnet - Space Lord
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

+30 Everything But the Girl - Missing
+27 Metal Molly - Orange
+14 Culture Beat - Mr Vain
+9 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night
+8 Queen - Heaven for Everyone
+7 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
+5 Meredith Brooks - Bitch
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+43 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +7
+24 Portishead - Roads
+20 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge +3
+17 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +5
+12 Polvo - Fast Canoe +4
+10 2Pac - Changes
+7 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
+6 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
+1 Monster Magnet - Space Lord +1
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

+34 Everything But the Girl - Missing +4
+32 Metal Molly - Orange +5
+15 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +7
+15 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +1
+12 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +3
+7 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
+5 Meredith Brooks - Bitch
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+47 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +4
+29 Portishead - Roads +5
+27 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge +7
+17 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze
+12 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+10 2Pac - Changes
+7 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
+7 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You +1
+4 Monster Magnet - Space Lord +3
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing


Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

+39 Metal Molly - Orange +7
+38 Everything But the Girl - Missing +4
+17 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +5
+15 Queen - Heaven for Everyone
+15 Culture Beat - Mr Vain
+8 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart +1
+8 Meredith Brooks - Bitch +3
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+47 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy
+33 Portishead - Roads +4
+32 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge +5
+24 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +7
+12 Polvo - Fast Canoe
+10 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You +3
+10 2Pac - Changes
+7 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
+4 Monster Magnet - Space Lord
+1 Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing +1

Ronde 1 - Ladder 4: Wat een zooi, puin en bagger.

+44 Metal Molly - Orange +5
+38 Everything But the Girl - Missing
+22 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +7
+21 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +4
+18 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +3
+9 Meredith Brooks - Bitch +1
+8 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

+51 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +4
+33 Portishead - Roads
+32 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge
+29 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +5
+13 Polvo - Fast Canoe +1
+10 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
+10 2Pac - Changes
+10 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel +3
+11 Monster Magnet - Space Lord +7
+1 Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing

Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

+51 Metal Molly - Orange +7
+39 Everything But the Girl - Missing +1
+22 Queen - Heaven for Everyone
+26 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +5
+18 Culture Beat - Mr Vain
+9 Meredith Brooks - Bitch
+12 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart +4
+3 Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him +3
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

58 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +7
36 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge +4
33 Portishead - Roads
32 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +3
18 Polvo - Fast Canoe +5
11 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel +1
11 Monster Magnet - Space Lord
10 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
10 2Pac - Changes
1 Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing

Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

58 Metal Molly - Orange +7
44 Everything But the Girl - Missing +5
29 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +3
22 Queen - Heaven for Everyone
18 Culture Beat - Mr Vain
13 Meredith Brooks - Bitch +4
13 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart +1
3 Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Twee vingers in de neus voor Metal Molly in die crapladder 4

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

63 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +5
39 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +7
36 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge
36 Portishead - Roads +3
22 Polvo - Fast Canoe +4
12 Monster Magnet - Space Lord +1
11 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
10 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
10 2Pac - Changes
1 Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing

Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

59 Metal Molly - Orange +1
51 Everything But the Girl - Missing +7
32 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night +3
26 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +4
23 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +5
13 Meredith Brooks - Bitch
13 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
3 Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

70 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +7
44 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +5
40 Portishead - Roads +4
36 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge
22 Polvo - Fast Canoe
13 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You +3
12 Monster Magnet - Space Lord
11 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel
10 2Pac - Changes
2 Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing +1

Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

60 Metal Molly - Orange +1
53 Everything But the Girl - Missing +2
32 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night
30 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +4
30 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +7
18 Meredith Brooks - Bitch +5
13 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
3 Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

Ronde 1 - Ladder 3:

75 Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy +5
51 Slowdive - Catch the Breeze +7
40 Portishead - Roads
40 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge+4
22 Polvo - Fast Canoe
14 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel+3
13 Charles & Eddie - Would I Lie to You
13 Monster Magnet - Space Lord+1
10 2Pac - Changes
2 Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing

Ronde 1 - Ladder 4:

60 Metal Molly - Orange
57 Everything But the Girl - Missing +4
39 Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night+7
35 Queen - Heaven for Everyone +5
31 Culture Beat - Mr Vain +1
21 Meredith Brooks - Bitch +3
13 Rob de Nijs - Banger Hart
3 Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him
Johan & De Groothandel - As Dick Me Hullep Nodig Hep
MC Hammer - Have You Seen Her

Deadline 17.00 uur

2 Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing

Herkenbaar

Ik vind Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand - Tell Him eerlijk gezegd nog een stuk erger. Wie geeft zoiets in godsnaam punten?

Edit: ah, ik zie nu pas dat het degene boven me is. Was niet persoonlijk bedoeld, Orbit.

Ik heb dan ook Banger Hart nog meer punten gegeven.. geeft wel aan hoe weinig die ladder mij zegt