Drie tamelijk zwakke ladders, met eigenlijk maar één echt positieve uitschieter.

Groep A - Ladder 10:

63 Echo & the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon +2
44 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand
39 Outkast - Hey Ya! +1
34 The Romantics - What I Like About You +3
31 Neil Young - See the Sky About to Rain
29 Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows +4

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Groep B - Ladder 10:

50 Simple Minds - Waterfront +3
44 Portishead - Roads
43 Patti Smith - Gloria
41 Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way +4
33 Ray LaMontagne - Trouble +1
29 ABBA - Dancing Queen +2

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Groep C - Ladder 10:

40 Marlena Shaw - California Soul +2
37 Del Shannon - Runaway +3
36 Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin - 69 Annee Erotique +1
29 Bright Eyes - Bowl of Oranges
25 Zjef Vanuytsel - Ik Weet Wel Mijn Lief +4
13 Blackalicious - Make You Feel That Way

Deadline 17:00

Groep A - Ladder 10:

66 Echo & the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon +3
45 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand +1
39 Outkast - Hey Ya!
36 The Romantics - What I Like About You +2
33 Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows +4
31 Neil Young - See the Sky About to Rain

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Groep B - Ladder 10:

54 Simple Minds - Waterfront +4
44 Portishead - Roads
44 Patti Smith - Gloria +1
44 Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way +3
33 Ray LaMontagne - Trouble
31 ABBA - Dancing Queen +2

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Groep C - Ladder 10: pas

40 Marlena Shaw - California Soul
37 Del Shannon - Runaway
36 Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin - 69 Annee Erotique
29 Bright Eyes - Bowl of Oranges
25 Zjef Vanuytsel - Ik Weet Wel Mijn Lief
13 Blackalicious - Make You Feel That Way

Deadline 17:00

Groep A - Ladder 10:

69 Echo & the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon +3
47 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand +2
39 Outkast - Hey Ya!
37 The Romantics - What I Like About You +1
37 Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows +4
31 Neil Young - See the Sky About to Rain

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Groep B - Ladder 10:

56 Simple Minds - Waterfront +2
47 Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way +3
44 Portishead - Roads
44 Patti Smith - Gloria
35 ABBA - Dancing Queen +4
34 Ray LaMontagne - Trouble +1

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Groep C - Ladder 10:

42 Marlena Shaw - California Soul +2
41 Del Shannon - Runaway +4
37 Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin - 69 Annee Erotique +1
29 Bright Eyes - Bowl of Oranges
28 Zjef Vanuytsel - Ik Weet Wel Mijn Lief +3
13 Blackalicious - Make You Feel That Way

Deadline 17:00

Groep A - Ladder 10:

73 Echo & the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon +4
47 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand
41 Outkast - Hey Ya! +2
40 The Romantics - What I Like About You +3
38 Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows +1
31 Neil Young - See the Sky About to Rain

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Groep B - Ladder 10:

56 Simple Minds - Waterfront
49 Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way +2
48 Portishead - Roads +4
47 Patti Smith - Gloria +3
35 ABBA - Dancing Queen
35 Ray LaMontagne - Trouble +1

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Groep C - Ladder 10:

43 Marlena Shaw - California Soul +1
41 Del Shannon - Runaway
40 Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin - 69 Annee Erotique +3
33 Bright Eyes - Bowl of Oranges +4
30 Zjef Vanuytsel - Ik Weet Wel Mijn Lief +2
13 Blackalicious - Make You Feel That Way

Deadline 17:00

Groep A - Ladder 10:

77 Echo & the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon +4
50 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand +3
43 Outkast - Hey Ya! +2
41 The Romantics - What I Like About You +1
38 Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows
31 Neil Young - See the Sky About to Rain

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Groep B - Ladder 10:

57 Simple Minds - Waterfront +4
51 Portishead - Roads +3
49 Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way
48 Patti Smith - Gloria +1
37 ABBA - Dancing Queen +2
35 Ray LaMontagne - Trouble

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Groep C - Ladder 10:

45 Marlena Shaw - California Soul +2
44 Del Shannon - Runaway +3
44 Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin - 69 Annee Erotique +4
34 Bright Eyes - Bowl of Oranges +1
30 Zjef Vanuytsel - Ik Weet Wel Mijn Lief
13 Blackalicious - Make You Feel That Way

Deadline 17:00

Groep A - Ladder 10:

77 Echo & the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon
52 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand +2
46 Outkast - Hey Ya! +3
41 The Romantics - What I Like About You
42 Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows +4
32 Neil Young - See the Sky About to Rain +1

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Groep B - Ladder 10: Pfff

57 Simple Minds - Waterfront
55 Portishead - Roads +4
51 Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way +2
51 Patti Smith - Gloria +3
37 ABBA - Dancing Queen
36 Ray LaMontagne - Trouble +1

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Groep C - Ladder 10: Verreweg de sterkste groep weer.

45 Marlena Shaw - California Soul
44 Del Shannon - Runaway
45 Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin - 69 Annee Erotique +1
37 Bright Eyes - Bowl of Oranges +3
34 Zjef Vanuytsel - Ik Weet Wel Mijn Lief +4
15 Blackalicious - Make You Feel That Way +2

Deadline 17:00

Nieuwe ladders.

Groep A - Ladder 11:
Playlist Ladder 11A

Editors - The Weight Of The World
Nirvana - Lithium
The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work
U2 - I Will Follow
UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:
Playlist Ladder 11B

Al Stewart - Year of the Cat
All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today
Songs: Ohia - Being In Love
The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back

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Groep C - Ladder 11:
Playlist Ladder 11C

Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
Glasvegas - Geraldine
Kasabian - L.S.F.
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle
The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

4 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
3 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work
2 Nirvana - Lithium
1 U2 - I Will Follow
Editors - The Weight Of The World
UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

4 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
3 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love
2 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
1 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today
Al Stewart - Year of the Cat
The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

4 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
3 Kasabian - L.S.F.
2 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle
1 Glasvegas - Geraldine
Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

7 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +3
5 U2 - I Will Follow +4
4 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +1
4 Nirvana - Lithium +2
Editors - The Weight Of The World
UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

4 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +4
4 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
4 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +3
3 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love
3 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +1
2 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +2

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Groep C - Ladder 11: pas

4 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
3 Kasabian - L.S.F.
2 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle
1 Glasvegas - Geraldine
Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Zeer spijtig van Zjef Vanuytsel...

Groep A - Ladder 11:

8 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +1
7 U2 - I Will Follow +2
4 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work
4 Nirvana - Lithium
4 Editors - The Weight Of The World +4
3 UB40 - Food for Thought +3
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Groep B - Ladder 11:

8 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker +4
5 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +2
5 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +3
5 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +1
4 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today
3 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love
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Groep C - Ladder 11:

8 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test +4
5 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +3
4 Kasabian - L.S.F. +1
3 Glasvegas - Geraldine +2
Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

10 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +2
10 U2 - I Will Follow +3
8 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +4
4 Nirvana - Lithium
4 Editors - The Weight Of The World
4 UB40 - Food for Thought 1
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Groep B - Ladder 11:

9 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +4
8 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +3
8 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
7 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +2
5 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today 1
3 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love
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Groep C - Ladder 11:

8 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
8 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +3
8 Kasabian - L.S.F. +4
5 Glasvegas - Geraldine +2
Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
1 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11 1

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

14 U2 - I Will Follow +4
11 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +1
10 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +2
7 Nirvana - Lithium +3
4 Editors - The Weight Of The World
4 UB40 - Food for Thought
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Groep B - Ladder 11:

13 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +4
11 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +3
8 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
7 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
7 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +2
4 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love +1
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Groep C - Ladder 11:

12 Kasabian - L.S.F. +4
11 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +3
8 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
5 Glasvegas - Geraldine
2 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +2
2 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11 +1

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

18 U2 - I Will Follow +4
13 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +2
13 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +3
7 Nirvana - Lithium
5 UB40 - Food for Thought+1
4 Editors - The Weight Of The World

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

15 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +2
15 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +4
10 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +3
8 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
8 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour+1
4 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love
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Groep C - Ladder 11:

15 Kasabian - L.S.F. +3
15 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +4
8 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
7 Glasvegas - Geraldine+2
3 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +1
2 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

19 U2 - I Will Follow +1
19The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +4
16 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +3
7 Nirvana - Lithium +2
5 UB40 - Food for Thought
4 Editors - The Weight Of The World

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

19 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +4
15 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back
13 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +3
10 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +2
9 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker +1
4 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love
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Groep C - Ladder 11:

18 Kasabian - L.S.F. +3
16 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +1
9 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test +2
7 Glasvegas - Geraldine
7 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +4
2 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

22The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +3
20 U2 - I Will Follow +1
16 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
9 Nirvana - Lithium +2
8 Editors - The Weight Of The World +4
5 UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

20 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +1
19 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +4
13 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today
12 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +2
9 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
7 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love +3

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

20 Kasabian - L.S.F. +2
16 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle
11 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +4
11 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test +1 + correctie
10 Glasvegas - Geraldine +3
2 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

25 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work 3
24 U2 - I Will Follow 4
16 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
10 Nirvana - Lithium 1
8 Editors - The Weight Of The World
7 UB40 - Food for Thought 2

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

21 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat 1
21 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back 2
16 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today 3
12 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
13 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker 4
7 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

20 Kasabian - L.S.F.
20 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle 4
11 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
14 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test 3
11 Glasvegas - Geraldine 1
4 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11 2

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11:

29 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work 4
24 U2 - I Will Follow
19 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone 3
11 Nirvana - Lithium 1
10 Editors - The Weight Of The World 2
7 UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

22 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat 1
25 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back 4
16 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today
14 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour 2
16 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker 3
7 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

24 Kasabian - L.S.F. 4
20 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle
13 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything 2
17 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test 3
12 Glasvegas - Geraldine 1
4 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11: Geweldige ladder

30The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work 1
28 U2 - I Will Follow 4
22 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone 3
12 Editors - The Weight Of The World 2
11 Nirvana - Lithium
7 UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

25 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat 3
25 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back
20 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today 4
18 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker 2
14 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
8 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love 1

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Groep C - Ladder 11: Geweldige ladder

26 Kasabian - L.S.F. 2
23 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle 3
17 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
16 Glasvegas - Geraldine 4
14 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything 1
4 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Groep A - Ladder 11: DJFrankie geeft twee maal +2 en geen +1

35 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +4
30 U2 - I Will Follow +2
22 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
13 Editors - The Weight Of The World +1
11 Nirvana - Lithium
10 UB40 - Food for Thought +3

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

28 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +3
27 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +2
21 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +1
18 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
14 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
12 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love +4 (waarom zo laag? )

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

27 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +4
26 Kasabian - L.S.F.
18 Glasvegas - Geraldine +2
17 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
17 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +3
5 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11+1


Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11: DJFrankie geeft twee maal +2 en geen +1

36 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +1
33 U2 - I Will Follow +3
22 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
15 Editors - The Weight Of The World +2
14 UB40 - Food for Thought +4
11 Nirvana - Lithium

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

30 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +3
29 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +1
25 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +4
18 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
16 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +2
12 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love

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Groep C - Ladder 11: PAS

27 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle
26 Kasabian - L.S.F.
18 Glasvegas - Geraldine
17 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test
17 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
5 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11


Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11: DJFrankie geeft twee maal +2 en geen +1

40 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work 4
33 U2 - I Will Follow
25 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone 3
16 UB40 - Food for Thought 2
15 Editors - The Weight Of The World
12 Nirvana - Lithium 1

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

31 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back 2
30 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat
26 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today 1
22 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker 4
16 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
15 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love 3

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

29 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle 2
29 Kasabian - L.S.F. 3
21 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test 4
19 Glasvegas - Geraldine 1
17 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything
5 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11


Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11: DJFrankie geeft twee maal +2 en geen +1

44 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +4
36 U2 - I Will Follow +3
25 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
16 UB40 - Food for Thought
16 Editors - The Weight Of The World +1
14 Nirvana - Lithium +2

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

32 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +2
31 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back
26 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today
25 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker +3
20 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +4 (Van dit meesterwerk krijg ik echt nooit genoeg)
16 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love +1

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

31 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +2
29 Kasabian - L.S.F.
22 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test +1
20 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +3
19 Glasvegas - Geraldine
9 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11+4

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11: DJFrankie geeft twee maal +2 en geen +1

44 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work
39 U2 - I Will Follow +3
27 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +2
18 Nirvana - Lithium +4
17 Editors - The Weight Of The World +1
16 UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

34 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +3
32 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat
28 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +2
25 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
24 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour +4
17 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love +1

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

35 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +4
32 Kasabian - L.S.F. +3
24 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test +2
21 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +1
19 Glasvegas - Geraldine
9 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11

Deadline: 11.00

The Verve mag zo een puntje minder, dus 43 punten. DJFrankie heeft zijn stand in middels aangepast.

Kan iemand mij uitleggen waarom Food for Thought in groep A staat en Windowlicker in groep B?

Groep A - Ladder 11:

47 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +4
39 U2 - I Will Follow
28 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone +1
21 Nirvana - Lithium +3
19 Editors - The Weight Of The World +2
16 UB40 - Food for Thought

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

34 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back
33 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +1
31 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +3
29 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker +4
24 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
19 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love +2

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

35 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle
32 Kasabian - L.S.F.
26 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test +2
24 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +3
20 Glasvegas - Geraldine +1
13 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11 +4

Deadline: 11.00

Groep A - Ladder 11: zeer sterk

47 The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work +3
39 U2 - I Will Follow +4
28 The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
21 Nirvana - Lithium +1
19 Editors - The Weight Of The World
16 UB40 - Food for Thought +2

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Groep B - Ladder 11:

37 Al Stewart - Year of the Cat +4
35 The Veils - The Tide that Left and Never Came Back +1
34 Herman's Hermits - No Milk Today +3
29 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
24 All About Eve - Martha's Harbour
21 Songs: Ohia - Being In Love +2

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Groep C - Ladder 11:

37 Siouxsie & the Banshees - Dazzle +2
32 Kasabian - L.S.F.
30 The Flaming Lips - Fight Test +4
27 Barry White - You're My First, My Last, My Everything +3
20 Glasvegas - Geraldine
14 Van der Graaf Generator - Darkness 11/11 +1

Deadline: 11.00

Ja, Food for Thought heeft genoeg punten gehaald om in groep A terecht te komen, Windowlicker heeft er minder behaald en komt daardoor in groep B terecht, zo simpel is dat.

Ik twijfel nog of ik een verzoek om uitleg over VDGG's positie in groep C (om precies te zijn: onderaan groep C) in ga dienen. Misschien zie ik er toch maar van af.