Dank Johnny Marr voor de organisatie. Op naar de Witte Trui-variant waar de albums gemiddeld nog van een hoger niveau zijn


17. (16) (15)
01. (01) (02) Arcade Fire - Funeral (2004)
02. (02) (03) The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead (1986)
03. (05) (==) Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane over the Sea (1998)
04. (04) (05) Sigur Rós - ( ) (2002)
05. (06) (==) Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005)
06. (04) (04) Pulp - Different Class (1995)
07. (==) (==) Tame Impala - Currents (2015)
08. (==) (==) DJ Shadow - Endtroducing..... (1996)
09. (==) (==) Elliott Smith - XO (1998)
10. (==) (08) Songs: Ohia - The Lioness (2000)
11. (13) (13) Radiohead - OK Computer (1997)
12. (10) (07) The Smiths - Meat Is Murder (1985)
13. (09) (11) Radiohead - The Bends (1995)
14. (==) (12) Pixies - Doolittle (1989)
15. (12) (09) Kate Bush - The Kick Inside (1978)
16. (14) (14) The Cure - Seventeen Seconds (1980)
17. (==) (==) Band of Horses - Everything All the Time (2006)
18. (==) (==) David Bowie - ★ (2016)
19. (17) (18) Depeche Mode - Violator (1990)
20. (15) (16) Massive Attack - Blue Lines (1991)
21. (22) (==) David Bowie - Hunky Dory (1971)
22. (19) (17) David Bowie - "Heroes" (1977)
23. (18) (20) New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies (1983)
24. (23) (23) The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
25. (21) (==) Nina Simone - Pastel Blues (1965)
26. (==) (21) The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)
27. (28) (25) The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed (1969)
28. (30) (29) Pearl Jam - Ten (1991)

MuMeLadder 2017 Finale Albums

17. [16] [15] [14] [13] Artiest - Titel

01. [01] [02] [==] [02] Sigur Rós - ( )
02. [02] [01] [01] [01] Radiohead - OK Computer
03. [04] [==] [==] [==] Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
04. [==] [03] [04] [06] Songs: Ohia - The Lioness
05. [==] [05] [==] [04] The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
06. [03] [04] [03] [03] Arcade Fire - Funeral
07. [05] [==] [==] [05] Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane over the Sea
08. [==] [06] [==] [07] Pixies - Doolittle
09. [==] [==] [==] [08] DJ Shadow - Endtroducing.....
10. [06] [==] [06] [14] Nina Simone - Pastel Blues
11. [10] [10] [09] [11] The Cure - Seventeen Seconds
12. [09] [==] [==] [==] David Bowie - Hunky Dory
13. [==] [==] [10] [==] Talking Heads - Remain in Light
14. [07] [08] [##] [##] The Smiths - Meat Is Murder
15. [08] [09] [07] [10] Radiohead - The Bends
16. [==] [==] [==] [==] Elliott Smith - XO
17. [11] [11] [11] [==] New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies
18. [==] [==] [==] [==] David Bowie - ★
19. [==] [==] [==] [==] Tame Impala - Currents
20. [20] [17] [==] [17] Massive Attack - Blue Lines
21. [19] [20] [17] [18] The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
22. [17] [16] [18] [15] David Bowie - "Heroes"
23. [18] [15] [19] [20] Pulp - Different Class
24. [23] [19] [16] [16] The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
25. [28] [26] [25] [25] Depeche Mode - Violator
26. [21] [23] [22] [23] The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
27. [27] [24] [24] [21] Pearl Jam - Ten
28. [29] [27] [26] [27] Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
##. [==] [==] [==] [==] Band of Horses - Everything All the Time
##. [==] [==] [==] [==] Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run


==. [12] [13] [==] [==] The Knife - Silent Shout
==. [13] [==] [==] [==] Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
==. [14] [==] [12] [==] Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
==. [15] [==] [==] [==] Prince - Sign 'O' the Times
==. [16] [==] [15] [12] dEUS - The Ideal Crash
==. [22] [18] [==] [19] Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Tender Prey
==. [24] [##] [==] [==] R.E.M. - Automatic for the People
==. [25] [22] [23] [==] U2 - The Unforgettable Fire
==. [26] [==] [==] [==] Donna Summer - I Remember Yesterday
==. [##] [##] [##] [==] Sinéad O'Connor - The Lion and the Cobra

==. [==] [07] [==] [==] The National - Boxer
==. [==] [12] [==] [==] The The - Soul Mining
==. [==] [14] [==] [==] Sam Cooke - Ain't That Good News
==. [==] [21] [==] [==] Gorky - Gorky
==. [==] [25] [==] [==] The Beatles - Revolver

==. [==] [==] [02] [==] Sigur Rós - Ágætis Byrjun
==. [==] [==] [05] [09] Portishead - Dummy
==. [==] [==] [08] [==] Curtis Mayfield - Curtis
==. [==] [==] [13] [==] Joy Division - Substance
==. [==] [==] [14] [==] Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
==. [==] [==] [20] [22] Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
==. [==] [==] [21] [==] The Who - Who's Next
==. [==] [==] [##] [##] Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Architecture & Morality
==. [==] [==] [##] [==] Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?

==. [==] [==] [==] [13] 16 Horsepower - Sackcloth 'N' Ashes
==. [==] [==] [==] [24] Tom Waits - Closing Time
==. [==] [==] [==] [26] Muse - Origin of Symmetry

Johnny Marr! Tof en bedankt voor het organiseren. Top

Omdat ze nieuwer zijn? Hipper misschien? Of omdat daar twee keer The National in staat? Mijn antwoord: neuh. Deze lijst is toch echt sterker. Er staan in de Witte Trui genoeg albums die absoluut niet kunnen tippen aan de grote namen hier ondanks dat het leuke albums zijn. Maar ja, grote namen zijn soms een beetje vies of zo en alles voor 2007 is oud en belegen natuurlijk, dus van minder hoog niveau

17 (16) (15) (14) (13) (12) (11)

01. (03) (03) (03) (06) (07) (08) The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
02. (02) (01) (02) (01) (01) (02) Radiohead - OK Computer
03. (==) (02) (==) (02) (==) (03) Pixies - Doolittle
04. (04) (06) (==) (08) (==) (==) Sigur Rós - ( )
05. (05) (05) (05) (04) (05) (07) Pearl Jam - Ten
06. (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) David Bowie - ★
07. (06) (04) (04) (03) (03) (06) Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
08. (08) (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
09. (09) (07) (11) (13) (12) (11) Arcade Fire - Funeral
10. (10) (08) (09) (07) (08) (12) Depeche Mode - Violator
11. (11) (09) (07) (12) (28) (27) The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
12. (12) (11) (08) (09) (08) (09) Radiohead - The Bends
13. (14) (12) (15) (16) (15) (18) The Smiths - Meat Is Murder
14. (15) (13) (13) (15) (14) (13) The Cure - Seventeen Seconds
15. (22) (==) (25) (26) (25) (23) Nina Simone - Pastel Blues
16. (==) (17) (==) (21) (22) (17) The Velvet Underground – The Velvet Underground & Nico
17. (18) (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) David Bowie - Hunky Dory
18. (19) (20) (21) (20) (18) (20) David Bowie - "Heroes"
19. (==) (==) (16) (==) (==) (21) Talking Heads – Remain in Light
20. (20) (19) (17) (18) (27) (==) The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
21. (21) (18) (23) (22) (18) (==) Pulp - Different Class
22. (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) Bruce Springsteen – Born to Run
23. (25) (23) (==) (24) (24) (22) Massive Attack - Blue Lines
24. (26) (26) (27) (==) (==) (==) New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies
25. (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) Elliott Smith – XO
26. (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) Tame Impala – Currents
27. (==) (==) (==) (29) (==) (==) DJ Shadow - Endtroducing.....
28. (==) (28) (30) (28) (==) (==) Songs: Ohia – The Lioness
29. (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) (==) Band of Horses – Everything All the Time
30. (30) (==) (==) (27) (==) (==) Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane over the Sea

Bedankt voor de organisatie Johnny!

1. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005) John Wayne Gacy Jr.
2. Arcade Fire - Funeral (2004) Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels) / Rebellion (Lies)
3. Pixies - Doolittle (1989) Debaser
4. Radiohead - OK Computer (1997) Exit Music (For a Film) / Paranoid Android
5. Radiohead - The Bends (1995) Street Spirit (Fade Out)
6. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967) Venus in Furs
7. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead (1986) There Is a Light That Never Goes Out
8. Talking Heads - Remain in Light (1980) Once in a Lifetime
9. Songs: Ohia - The Lioness (2000) Lioness
10. Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane over the Sea (1998) In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
11. The Smiths - Meat Is Murder (1985) How Soon Is Now?
12. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967) A Day In the Life
13. Elliott Smith - XO (1998) Waltz #2 (XO)
14. David Bowie - Hunky Dory (1971) Life On Mars
15. Sigur Rós - ( ) (2002) Untitled #8 (Popplagið)
16. Pulp - Different Class (1995) Common People
17. The Cure - Seventeen Seconds (1980) A Forest
18. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed (1969) Gimme Shelter
19. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing..... (1996) Stem/ Long Stem
20. Massive Attack - Blue Lines (1991) Unfinished Sympathy
21. David Bowie - ★ (2016) Lazarus
22. Pearl Jam - Ten (1991) Black
23. Kate Bush - The Kick Inside (1978) Wuthering Heights
24. New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies (1983) Blue Monday
25. Tame Impala - Currents (2015) Let It Happen
26. Nina Simone - Pastel Blues (1965) Sinnerman
27. David Bowie - "Heroes" (1977) "Heroes"
28. Band of Horses - Everything All the Time (2006) The Funeral
29. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run (1975) Born to Run
30. Depeche Mode - Violator (1990) Enjoy the Silence

Top 30 MuMeLadder 2017 Finale Albums

17. [16] [15] [14] [13] [12] [11]
01. [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
02. [03] [01] [==] [02] [01] [02] Massive Attack - Blue Lines
03. [05] [==] [04] [03] [02] [06] Nina Simone - Pastel Blues
04. [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] Band of Horses - Everything All the Time
05. [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] David Bowie - ★
06. [09] [04] [05] [04] [03] [03] Pearl Jam - Ten
07. [06] [06] [08] [09] [08] [18] Arcade Fire - Funeral
08. [08] [05] [06] [05] [04] [04] Depeche Mode - Violator
09. [15] [19] [23] [13] [13] [14] David Bowie - "Heroes"
10. [==] [07] [10] [10] [==] [==] Songs: Ohia - The Lioness
11. [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] [08] Talking Heads - Remain in Light
12. [16] [13] [15] [07] [07] [09] Radiohead - OK Computer
13. [11] [12] [19] [11] [14] [==] The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
14. [19] [18] [17] [15] [15] [16] The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
15. [23] [23] [24] [22] [19] [==] Pulp - Different Class
16. [13] [09] [11] [14] [11] [13] Radiohead - The Bends
17. [20] [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] David Bowie - Hunky Dory
18. [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] Tame Impala - Currents
19. [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] Elliott Smith - XO
20. [14] [15] [16] [18] [16] [15] The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
21. [22] [21] [25] [21] [18] [19] The Smiths - Meat Is Murder
22. [27] [20] [==] [17] [==] [==] Sigur Rós - ( )
23. [==] [==] [==] [16] [==] [==] DJ Shadow - Endtroducing.....
24. [17] [16] [22] [26] [24] [20] The Cure - Seventeen Seconds
25. [26] [25] [28] [==] [==] [==] New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies
26. [29] [==] [==] [20] [==] [==] Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane over the Sea
27. [24] [==] [==] [==] [==] [==] Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
28. [==] [24] [==] [24] [==] [23] Pixies - Doolittle
29. [==] [28] [==] [28] [28] [24]The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
30. [30] [29] [30] [29] [30] [27] Kate Bush - The Kick Inside

Johnny Marr Thanx voor de organisatie

Het derde argument natuurlijk

Maar eerlijk gezegd ontlopen de lijsten elkaar voor mij niet heel veel hoor. Bij de Witte Trui-albums kan ik 7x 5* en 8x 4,5* uitdelen en bij de MuMeLadder-albums 6x 5* en 9x 4,5*. Ik heb bij de Witte Trui wel maar 1 album dat voor mij een nipte onvoldoende scoort, en nog 1 album dat ik niet ken (Leonard Cohen). Minder grote namen ja, maar voor veel mensen waarschijnlijk ook een aantal onontdekte parels die het in zich hebben om uit te groeien tot klassiekers.

Twee keer 20e eeuw op het podium! Gaat het wel goed met je? ?

Sterker nog, de hele top 3 is ouder dan 10 jaar. Ik tart met alle wetten die ik mezelf (of anderen me) heb(ben) opgelegd
Maar goed, het beste album ooit is natuurlijk ook niet de jongste meer

Johnny Marr, dank voor de organisatie en de levendige presentatie!

01 02 02 01 02 02 [15] Pulp - Different Class 5,0*
02 03 03 02 01 01 [12] Depeche Mode - Violator
03 05 04 12 12 10 [01] Radiohead - OK Computer 4,0*
04 06 05 07 05 06 [05] Radiohead - The Bends
05 07 06 08 08 07 [17] Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
06 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- [30] Band of Horses - Everything All the Time
07 08 08 10 09 08 [03] The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 3,5*
08 09 10 ---- 10 11 [24] Massive Attack - Blue Lines
09 ---- ---- 11 ---- ---- [09] Talking Heads - Remain in Light
10 ---- 12 ---- 11 14 [06] The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
11 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- [10] Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
12 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- [29] Tame Impala - Currents
13 11 13 17 17 15 [02] Arcade Fire - Funeral
14 ---- ---- ---- 20 ---- [23] DJ Shadow - Endtroducing.....
15 12 ---- 15 15 16 [28] Nina Simone - Pastel Blues
16 13 15 13 13 13 [14] Pearl Jam - Ten
17 14 16 14 14 12 [13] David Bowie - "Heroes"
18 17 17 19 21 20 [04] The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead 3,0*
19 19 ---- ---- ---- ---- [27] Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane over the Sea
20 21 18 21 22 ---- [07] The Cure - Seventeen Seconds 2,5*
21 22 21 ---- 18 ---- [18] Sigur Rós - ( )

---- [26] New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies
---- [25] Elliott Smith - XO
---- [22] Songs: Ohia - The Lioness
---- [21] Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
---- [20] Pixies - Doolittle
---- [19] The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
---- [16] David Bowie - ★
---- [11] The Smiths - Meat Is Murder
---- [08] David Bowie - Hunky Dory

De middelmaat regeert en dat zal hij straks bij de witte trui albums nog wat nadrukkelijker doen.