Wederom proficiat Dieter, zullen we dan maar zeggen?
Naast My Dying Bride heeft nu ook Type O Negative 2 overwinningen op zak!
Benieuwd wat het volgende jaar zal worden!

Gefeleciteerd Dieter met het kampioemschap

We gaan helemaal terug naar het begin: 1980.
Er zullen wel een aantal randgevalletjes (rock/metal) voorbij komen.
Zolang het stevig genoeg rockt, lijkt me dat geen probleem.

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 1

Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Scorpions - The Zoo

Totaal: 4 (64)
Deadline: Dinsdag 27 april, 12:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 1

Angel Witch - Angel Witch *
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Motörhead - Ace of Spades *
Rush - Jacob's Ladder *
Saxon - Motorcycle Man *
Scorpions - The Zoo

Totaal: 8 (64)

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 1

Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade *
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire *
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Scorpions - The Zoo
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia *
Van Halen - Loss of Control *

Totaal: 12 (64)

Van Halen is inclusief een stukje Tora! Tora! wat op de plaat een intro van bijna een minuut is en hier in de clip ongeveer de helft ingekort is. Wat een jaar dat 1980, ben nu al overweldigd door de pracht van wat toen uitkwam.

Ik ben slecht thuis in de hardrock/metal van dit jaar en daarom ben ik die tegendraadse punk/gothic-gast die in de metalkantine schreeuwt dat mijn gekozen bands meer ''metal'' waren in 1980 dan de echte metalbands toen.

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 1

Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Bauhaus - Double Dare*
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia*
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait*
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Scorpions - The Zoo
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
X - Los Angeles*

Totaal: 16 (64)

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 1

Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Bauhaus - Double Dare*
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia*
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait*
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Scorpions - The Zoo
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
X - Los Angeles*

Totaal: 16 (64)
Deadline: Dinsdag 27 april, 12:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 1

Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Girlschool - Demolition Boys ***
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution ***
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire ***
Trust - Antisocial ***
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 20 (64)
Deadline: Dinsdag 27 april, 12:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 1

Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman ***
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back ***
Gillian - Unchain Your Brain ***
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Trust - Antisocial
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser ***
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 24 (64)
Deadline: Dinsdag 27 april, 12:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 2

Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Budgie - Forearm Smash ***
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On ***
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Samson - Hard Times ***
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Trust - Antisocial
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll ***
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 28 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 06:00 uur

Hier ben ik uiteraard van de partij als deelnemer

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 2

Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell***
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler***
Judas Priest - Metal Gods***
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Samson - Hard Times
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel***
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Trust - Antisocial
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 32 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 06:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 2

AC/DC - Back in Black ***
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Diamond Head - Helpless ***
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley ***
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Natural Science ***
Samson - Hard Times
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Trust - Antisocial
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 36 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 06:00 uur

Gillan - Unchain Your Brain

White Spirit had ik met hetzelfde nummer ook op de nominatie, vervangen door Witchfynde wat ik overigens eveneens niet ken. Budgie vroeger wel eens gehoord, Manilla Road wel eens van gehoord en Samson onlangs aan mijn collectie toegevoegd. Heb overal de openingstrack van de albums gekozen.

Niet een jaartal waar ik veel metal van ken, naast the obvious suspects. Dus ook van mij enkel wat grensgevalletjes. De rest laat ik aan jullie over.

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 2

AC/DC - Back in Black
Accept - I'm a Rebel ***
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Diamond Head - Helpless
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Killing Joke - Wardance ***
Krokus - Tokyo Nights ***
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Natural Science
Samson - Hard Times
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism ***
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Trust - Antisocial
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 40 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 06:00 uur

Ook hier enkele grensgevalletjes:

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 2

AC/DC - Back in Black
Accept - I'm a Rebel
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Diamond Head - Helpless
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Killing Joke - Wardance
Krokus - Tokyo Nights
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Natural Science
Samson - Hard Times
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Michael Schenker Group - Into the Arena *
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Thin Lizzy - Killer on the Loose *
Trust - Antisocial
Trust - Le Mitard *
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
UFO - Mystery Train *
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 44 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 06:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 2

AC/DC - Back in Black
AC/DC - Hells Bells ***
Accept - I'm a Rebel
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Brats - Heavy Rocker ***
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Diamond Head - Helpless
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Killing Joke - Wardance
Krokus - Tokyo Nights
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Motörhead - The Chase Is Better Than the Catch ***
Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Natural Science
Samson - Hard Times
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Michael Schenker Group - Into the Arena
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Thin Lizzy - Killer on the Loose
Trust - Antisocial
Trust - Le Mitard
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
UFO - Mystery Train
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
Wipers - Return of the Rat ***
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 48 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 06:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 2

AC/DC - Back in Black
AC/DC - Hells Bells
Accept - I'm a Rebel
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Brats - Heavy Rocker
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Chevy - Rock On ***
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Diamond Head - Helpless
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Fist - The Watcher ***
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Killing Joke - Wardance
Krokus - Tokyo Nights
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Motörhead - The Chase Is Better Than the Catch
Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Natural Science
Samson - Hard Times
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism
Scorpions - The Zoo
The Hunt - Back On The Hunt ***
The Michael Schenker Group - Into the Arena
The Rods - Music Man ***
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Thin Lizzy - Killer on the Loose
Trust - Antisocial
Trust - Le Mitard
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
UFO - Mystery Train
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
Wipers - Return of the Rat
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 52 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 06:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 3

AC/DC - Back in Black
AC/DC - Hells Bells
Accept - I'm a Rebel
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
April Wine - I Like to Rock ***
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Brats - Heavy Rocker
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Chevy - Rock On
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Diamond Head - Helpless
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Fist - The Watcher
G-Force - White Knuckles / Rockin' and Rollin' ***
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Killing Joke - Wardance
Krokus - Tokyo Nights
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Motörhead - The Chase Is Better Than the Catch
Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Natural Science
Samson - Hard Times
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism
Scorpions - The Zoo
Ted Nugent - Wango Tango ***
The Hunt - Back On The Hunt
The Michael Schenker Group - Into the Arena
The Rods - Music Man
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Thin Lizzy - Killer on the Loose
Triumph - I Live for the Weekend ***
Trust - Antisocial
Trust - Le Mitard
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
UFO - Mystery Train
Van Halen - Loss of Control
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
Wipers - Return of the Rat
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 56 (64)
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 23:00 uur

Nomineer 4 nummers uit 1980 - Ronde 3

AC/DC - Back in Black
AC/DC - Hells Bells
Accept - I'm a Rebel
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Angel Witch - Sweet Danger ***
April Wine - I Like to Rock
April Wine - Say Hello ***
Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Brats - Heavy Rocker
Budgie - Forearm Smash
Chevy - Rock On
Dead Kennedys - Chemical Warfare ***
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Def Leppard - Rock Brigade
Diamond Head - Am I Evil
Diamond Head - Helpless
Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
Fist - The Watcher
G-Force - White Knuckles / Rockin' and Rollin'
Gillan - Unchain Your Brain
Girlschool - Demolition Boys
Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden - Prowler
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Rapid Fire
Killing Joke - The Wait
Killing Joke - Wardance
Krokus - Tokyo Nights
Manilla Road - The Empire ***
Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Motörhead - The Chase Is Better Than the Catch
Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Natural Science
Samson - Hard Times
Samson - Take It Like A Man ***
Saxon - Motorcycle Man
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism
Scorpions - The Zoo
Stiff Little Fingers - Tin Soldiers ***
Ted Nugent - Wango Tango
The Hunt - Back On The Hunt
The Michael Schenker Group - Into the Arena
The Rods - Music Man
The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire
Thin Lizzy - Killer on the Loose
Triumph - I Live for the Weekend
Trust - Antisocial
Trust - Le Mitard
Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
UFO - Mystery Train
Van Halen - Loss of Control
Vardis - 100 MPH ***
Vardis - If I were King ***
White Spirit - Midnight Chaser
Wipers - Return of the Rat
Witchfynde - Ready to Roll
X - Los Angeles

Totaal: 64
Deadline: Woensdag 28 april, 23:00 uur

Interessant jaartal, zo blijkt.

Ronde 1 (tot de 5, 1 verschil)

1. Ted Nugent - Wango Tango vs. Triumph - I Live for the Weekend
2. Vardis - 100 MPH vs. Motörhead - The Chase Is Better Than the Catch
3. Gillan - Unchain Your Brain vs. Accept - I'm a Rebel
4. Chevy - Rock On vs. Tygers of Pan Tang - Euthanasia
5. Saxon - Wheels of Steel vs. Saxon - Motorcycle Man
6. Girlschool - Demolition Boys vs. Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
7. White Spirit - Midnight Chaser vs. Ethel The Frog - Fight Back
8. Budgie - Forearm Smash vs. Wipers - Return of the Rat
9. Killing Joke - The Wait vs. Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
10. Def Leppard - Rock Brigade vs. April Wine - I Like to Rock
11. Vardis - If I Were King vs. AC/DC - Hells Bells
12. Manilla Road - The Dream Goes On vs. Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
13. Scorpions - Animal Magnetism vs. Rush - Jacob's Ladder
14. Killing Joke - Wardance vs. Rush - Natural Science
15. UFO - Mystery Train vs. Dead Kennedys - Chemical Warfare
16. Diamond Head - Helpless vs. Samson - Hard Times
17. Motörhead - Ace of Spades vs. Krokus - Tokyo Nights
18. Angel Witch - Sweet Danger vs. Iron Maiden - Prowler
19. Scorpions - The Zoo vs. Fist - The Watcher
20. Judas Priest - Metal Gods vs. AC/DC - Back in Black
21. X - Los Angeles vs. Thin Lizzy - Killer on the Loose
22. The Runaways - I Love Playin' With Fire vs. Bauhaus - Double Dare
23. Stiff Little Fingers - Tin Soldiers vs. Angel Witch - Angel Witch
24. Trust - Antisocial vs. The Michael Schenker Group - Into the Arena
25. Atomic Rooster - She's My Woman vs. April Wine - Say Hello
26. The Rods - Music Man vs. The Hunt - Back On The Hunt
27. Samson - Take It Like A Man vs. Ozzy Ozbourne - Mr. Crowley
28. Judas Priest - Rapid Fire vs. Trust - Le Mitard
29. Van Halen - Loss of Control vs. G-Force - White Knuckles / Rockin' and Rollin'
30. Brats - Heavy Rocker vs. Diamond Head - Am I Evil
31. Black Sabbath - Children of the Sea vs. Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
32. Witchfynde - Ready to Roll vs. Manilla Road - The Empire

1. Ted Nugent - Wango Tango vs. Triumph - I Live for the Weekend

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Best moeilijk nog, mooie lijst

1980 toen was ik nog enigzins jong

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Twee levendige openers. Ome Ted heeft hier het volume nog volop open staan, twee jaar later werd dat wel minder. Dacht dat deze wild excellerende gitaarbeul het technisch wel aflegt tegen Rick Emmett die zijn stempel nogal op de gekozen track drukt. Ben bij Triumph alleen geen liefhebber van de zang van drummer Gil Moore (ook niet van Emmett zijn zang overigens). Songs ontlopen elkaar niet zo gekke veel; beide beetje verstand op nul en rocken geblazen, als het ware.

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