Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

20 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise +2
14 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike +3
11 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
8 Jethro Tull - Aqualung +1
7 IQ - The Last Human Gateway
7 Galahad - I Could Be God +4
2 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing
1 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur

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Reviews - de ontknoping begint inmiddels binnen 24 uur!

Liefhebbers mogen iets schrijven over:

Aragon - Rocking Horse
Gandalf - Departure
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
Spock's Beard - Jaws of Heaven
Tony Banks ft. Fish - Another Murder of a Day

En ook nog steeds over:

Carptree - Mashed Potato Mountain Man
Fates Warning - The Ivory Gate of Dreams
Focus - Focus II
Haken - Falling Back to Earth
Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
Katatonia - In the White
La Coscienza di Zeno - Gatto Lupesco
Led Zeppelin - The Battle of Evermore
Mona Lisa - Créature de la steppe
Moonrise - Surrender to Win
Mystery - Wolf
Phish - Time Turns Elastic (#9)
Pinnacles - Better Than the Enemy
Resistor - Mimosa
Roger Waters - What God Wants (part 1)
Sylvan - In Between
The Lens - Frost & Fire * (26:30 tot 32:56)
The Mighty Bard - I Know
The Reasoning - The Nobody Effect
UK - Carrying No Cross
White Willow - Paper Moon

De oproep geldt voor iedereen… dus ook bijvoorbeeld voor echoes

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

21 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise +1
15 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut +4
14 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike
9 IQ - The Last Human Gateway +2
8 Jethro Tull - Aqualung
7 Galahad - I Could Be God
4 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde +3
2 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

21 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise
17 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut 2
17 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike 3
11 Galahad - I Could Be God 4
9 IQ - The Last Human Gateway
9 Jethro Tull - Aqualung 1
4 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde
2 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

24 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise 3
18 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut 1
17 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike
13 Galahad - I Could Be God 2
13 IQ - The Last Human Gateway 4
9 Jethro Tull - Aqualung
4 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde
2 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur
100

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

24 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise
19 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut +1
17 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike
15 Galahad - I Could Be God +2
13 Jethro Tull - Aqualung +4
13 IQ - The Last Human Gateway
5 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing +3
4 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur
110

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

24 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise
20 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike +3
19 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
16 Galahad - I Could Be God +1
15 Jethro Tull - Aqualung +2
13 IQ - The Last Human Gateway
9 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing +4
4 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur
120

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

24 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise
23 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut 4
22 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike +2
16 Galahad - I Could Be God
15 Jethro Tull - Aqualung
13 IQ - The Last Human Gateway
12 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing +3
5 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde 1

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur
120

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

28 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise 4
25 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut 2
25 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike 3
16 Galahad - I Could Be God
16 Jethro Tull - Aqualung 1
13 IQ - The Last Human Gateway
12 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing
5 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur

Laatste herkansingsronde 2 - Ladder 16:

30 Yes - Heart of the Sunrise 2
25 Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
25 Genesis - Driving the Last Spike
20 Galahad - I Could Be God 4
16 Jethro Tull - Aqualung
15 Wolverine - Into the Great Nothing 3
13 IQ - The Last Human Gateway
6 Nemo - Les Visages du Monde 1

Deadline: 22 november, 19:00 uur.

Einde herkansingen.

In aanvulling op de afvallerslijst na Ronde 1, moet ik melden dat ook voor de volgende 84 nummers uiteindelijk geen plek is in de MuMe Prog Top 300:

10cc - How Dare You [Casartelli]
Agent Fresco - Eyes of a Cloud Catcher [Startlijst]
Bacamarte - Espíritos da Terra * (11:50 tot 17:50) [Svendra]
Bacamarte - Portais (tot 6:34) [Startlijst]
Barock Project - Coffee in Neukölln [jasper1991]
Bubu - Suenos de maniqui [Misterfool]
Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink [chevy93]
Cardiacs - The Ever So Closely Guarded Line [Casartelli]
Carptree - Kicking and Collecting [Startlijst]
Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony, 2nd Movement [Startlijst]
Colin Bass - Macassar [Startlijst]
Collage - In Your Eyes [uffing]
Comus - Song to Comus [Casartelli]
Dream Theater - Stream of Consciousness [Startlijst]
Dream Theater - The Count of Tuscany [da dude]
Dün - Eros [Klassiekers]
Edge of Sanity - Crimson [Klassiekers]
Fairport Convention - Matty Groves [chevy93]
Final Conflict - The Mechanic [da dude]
For Absent Friends - The Stone [musicborst]
Frank Zappa - Willie the Pimp [Klassiekers]
FreddeGredde - Lonely Starlight [Startlijst]
Freudiana featuring Eric Woolfson - Freudiana [dynamo d]
Frost* - Dear Dead Days [Startlijst]
Genesis - Mad Man Moon [Startlijst]
Genesis - There Must Be Some Other Way [Startlijst]
Grand Tour - Little Boy and the Fat Man [Klassiekers]
Grobschnitt - Symphony [Startlijst]
Gryphon - Opening Move [Brunniepoo]
Haken - Cockroach King [jasper1991]
Hatfield and The North - Shaving Is Boring [Klassiekers]
Hypnos 69 - Requiem (For A Dying Creed) [crosskip]
iamthemorning - Scotland [Klassiekers]
Iona - Bird of Heaven [Startlijst]
IZZ - 23 Minutes of Tragedy [Startlijst]
Jon & Vangelis - He Is Sailing [Startlijst]
Kaipa - In the Wake of Evolution [Startlijst]
Kayak - Icarus [Startlijst]
Khan - Driving to Amsterdam [Startlijst]
King Crimson - Fracture [crosskip]
Kompendium - Beneath The Waves [da dude]
Kraan - Holiday am Marterhorn [Startlijst]
Lazuli - Déraille [Svendra]
MandalaBand - Like the Wind [Startlijst]
Manfred Mann's Earth Band - The road to Babylon [ranboy]
Mike Oldfield - Crises [Startlijst]
Mike Oldfield - Taurus I [vigil]
Millenium - Goodbye My Earth [Dieter]
Moon Safari - Heartland [Startlijst]
Mostly Autumn - Carpe Diem [Papartis]
Motis - L'Envolée [Startlijst]
Novalis - Wer Schmetterlinge Lachen Hört [Brunniepoo]
Orne - Temple Of The Worm (03:15 - 15:25) [crosskip]
Pavlov's Dog - Of Once and Future Kings [Rudi S]
Popol Vuh - Hosianna Mantra [Klassiekers]
Premiata Forneria Marconi - Appena un Po' [Startlijst]
Queensrÿche - Promised Land [crosskip]
Red Jasper - Dreamscape [musicborst]
Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning [Casartelli]
Ritual - In the Wild [Svendra]
Robert Wyatt - Sea Song [Svendra]
Roger Hodgson - Lovers in the Wind [vigil]
Sieges Even - The Weight [Klassiekers]
Sigur Rós - Svefn-G-Englar [Startlijst]
Sigur Rós - Viðrar Vel Til Loftárása [Gretz]
Sinkadus - Ulv I Fårakläder [echoes]
Sky Architect - Elegy of a Solitary Giant [Papartis]
Soup - Playground Memories [Salvadore]
Spock's Beard - The Light [echoes]
Subsignal - Finisterre [Dieter]
Sylvan - So Easy [Startlijst]
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy [jasper1991]
Taal - Skymind [Misterfool]
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon, Part 1. [Klassiekers]
The Alan Parsons Project - The Tell-Tale Heart [dynamo d]
Threshold - Sheltering Sky [kabouter76]
Transatlantic - Duel with the Devil [uffing]
Transatlantic - Stranger in Your Soul [da dude]
Trettioåriga Kriget - Krigssång II [Brunniepoo]
UK - Nevermore [chevy93]
Umphrey's McGee - Mantis [Startlijst]
Van Der Graaf Generator - Arrow [uffing]
White Willow - Floor 67. [Startlijst]
Yes - The Revealing Science of God [kabouter76]

Dan hebben we nog 192 nummers over. Ronde 3 bestaat uit 32 ladders van 6 nummers elk. Op grond van de gewogen scorepercentages in Ronde 1 en 2 zijn de ladders zo evenwichtig mogelijk gemaakt. We spelen andermaal met de stemsleutel 4-3-2-1.

Net als in Ronde 2 gaan van elke ladder de nummers 1 en 2 direct door naar de volgende ronde (Ronde 4 dus). De nummers 3 en 4 mogen herkansen. Van de herkansers gaat de bovenste helft eveneens door naar Ronde 3. De nummers 5 en 6 plus de niet geslaagde herkansers vormen de nummers 97 t/m 192 van de Top 300. Criterium voor de rangschikking is de gewogen score: 1 x Scorepercentage Ronde 1 + 2 x Scorepercentage Ronde 2 + 3 x Scorepercentage Ronde 3.

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

Marillion - Blind Curve
The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind
Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel)
Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights
King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man
Opeth - Porcelain Heart

Ronde 3 - Ladder 2:

Porcupine Tree - Russia on Ice
Gazpacho - Dream Of Stone
Rush - Marathon
Yes - Yours Is No Disgrace
Riverside - Escalator Shrine
Phideaux - Beyond the shadow of Doubt

Ronde 3 - Ladder 3:

Genesis - Supper's Ready
Pink Floyd - Shine on You Crazy Diamond Parts VI-IX
King Crimson - The Court of the Crimson King
Camel - Ice
Anima Mundi - Spring Knocks on the Door of Men
Sylvan - Vapour Trail

Ronde 3 - Ladder 4:

Genesis - The Fountain of Salmacis
Opeth - The Drapery Falls
Fish - Plague Of Ghosts
IQ - Sacred Sound
Earth and Fire - Atlantis
Oceansize - Music For A Nurse

Ronde 3 - Ladder 5:

Marillion - Ocean Cloud
Archive - Again
Kansas - The Wall
The Pineapple Thief - Remember Us
IQ - Guiding Light
Jadis - Holding Your Breath

Ronde 3 - Ladder 6:

Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear
Porcupine Tree - Fear Of A Blank Planet
Rush - Natural Science
The Gathering - Even the Spirits Are Afraid
Bjørn Riis - Lullaby in a Car Crash
Supertramp - Brother Where You Bound

Ronde 3 - Ladder 7:

Genesis - The Musical Box
Gazpacho - Massive Illusion
Yes - And You And I
Rush - La Villa Strangiato
Twelfth Night - The Collector
Ayreon - Isis and Osiris

Ronde 3 - Ladder 8:

Marillion - The Great Escape
Rush - Xanadu
Pink Floyd - Hey You
Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing
IQ - Further Away
Psychotic Waltz - I Remember

Ronde 3 - Ladder 9:

Camel - Nimrodel / The Procession / The White Rider
Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways Phase One
Genesis - Ripples
Beardfish - Sleeping in Traffic
Focus - Hocus Pocus
Genesis - Driving the Last Spike

Ronde 3 - Ladder 10:

Marillion - The Invisible Man
Marillion - Afraid of Sunlight
Anathema - Judgement
IQ - The Wrong Side of Weird
Yes - Heart of the Sunrise
Queensrÿche - Silent Lucidity

Ronde 3 - Ladder 11:

Pink Floyd - Dogs
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
The Gathering - Eleanor
Marillion - Grendel
Spock's Beard - Wind At My Back
Kansas - Incomudro-Hymn to the Atman

Ronde 3 - Ladder 12:

Pink Floyd - Shine on You Crazy Diamond (1-5)
Peter Gabriel - Wallflower
Archive - Bullets
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Van Der Graaf Generator - A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers
IQ - Widow's Peak

Ronde 3 - Ladder 13:

Supertramp - Fool's Overture
Genesis - Firth of Fifth
The Alan Parsons Project - Ammonia Avenue
Mike Oldfield - Hergest Ridge (part 2)
Neal Morse - Seeds of Gold
Renaissance - Trip to the Fair

Ronde 3 - Ladder 14:

Genesis - The Cinema Show
Marillion - White Russian
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
Marillion - Easter
Pink Floyd - Us And Them
Marillion - Tux On

Ronde 3 - Ladder 15:

Camel - Lady Fantasy
Anathema - The Storm Before the Calm
Dream Theater - Metropolis - Part One: 'The Miracle and the Sleeper'
Nordagust - Make Me Believe
Beardfish - Hold On
RPWL - Wasted Land

Ronde 3 - Ladder 16:

Porcupine Tree - Time Flies
Genesis - One for the Vine
Steve Hackett - Shadow of the Hierophant
Marillion - Brave
Genesis - Behind the lines
The Alan Parsons Project - The Raven

Ronde 3 - Ladder 17:

Porcupine Tree - Even Less
Archive - Lights
Eloy - Poseidon's Creation
The Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card
Yes - Awaken
Neuschwanstein - Midsummer Day * (tot 41:29)

Ronde 3 - Ladder 18:

Porcupine Tree - Blackest Eyes
King Crimson - Starless
Steven Wilson - Ancestral
The Decemberists - The Island
Kayak - Merlin
Fish - Cliché

Ronde 3 - Ladder 19:

Rush - The Camera Eye
Gazpacho - I've Been Walking Part 2.
Kayak - Close to the Fire
Anekdoten - Gravity
Van Der Graaf Generator - The Sleepwalkers
DeWolff - Silver Lovemachine

Ronde 3 - Ladder 20:

Bacamarte - Último Entardecer
Porcupine Tree - Radioactive Toy
Rush - Cygnus X-1
IQ - The Seventh House
King Crimson - Epitaph
Peter Gabriel - Signal to Noise

Ronde 3 - Ladder 21:

Pink Floyd - Sheep
Airbag - Homesick
Peter Gabriel - San Jacinto
Sylvium - Signal to Noise
Galahad - I Could Be God
Twelfth Night - Take a look

Ronde 3 - Ladder 22:

Anathema - Dreaming Light
Steven Wilson - Harmony Korine
Genesis - Entangled
Earth and Fire - Song of the Marching Children
Spock's Beard - The Great Nothing
Dream Theater - Home

Ronde 3 - Ladder 23:

Fish - Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors
Supertramp - School
Yes - Starship Trooper
The Flower Kings - Stardust We Are
Supertramp - Crime of the Century
Oceansize - Women Who Love Men Who Love Drugs

Ronde 3 - Ladder 24:

Genesis - Dancing with the Moonlit Knight
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
Harmonium - Histoires Sans Paroles
Porcupine Tree - Don’t Hate Me
Phideaux - Micro Softdeathstar
Oceansize - One Day All This Could Be Yours

Ronde 3 - Ladder 25:

Marillion - Fugazi
Marillion - Splintering Heart
Camel - Lawrence
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (Part 1)
UK - In the dead of night
Pendragon - Masters of Illusion

Ronde 3 - Ladder 26:

Porcupine Tree - Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Gazpacho - Tick Tock
Peter Gabriel - Family Snapshot
Anathema - Flying
Eloy - End of an Odyssey
Pendragon - The Last Man on Earth

Ronde 3 - Ladder 27:

Marillion - Slainte Mhath
Arena - The Hanging Tree
Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray XII
Porcupine Tree - Way Out of Here
Genesis - Can-Utility and the Coastliners
Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings

Ronde 3 - Ladder 28:

Marillion - Neverland
Camel - Rose of Sharon
Änglagård - Jordrök
Camel - Lunar Sea
Moon Safari - A Kid Called Panic
IQ - The Darkest Hour

Ronde 3 - Ladder 29:

Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb
Yes - Close to the Edge
Yes - Endless Dream
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (Part 1)
Big Big Train - Victorian Brickwork
Marillion - Gazpacho

Ronde 3 - Ladder 30:

Kansas - Song for America
Archive - Controlling Crowds
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
Pure Reason Revolution - Bright Ambassadors of Morning
Collage - Wings in the Night
Eloy - Metromania

Ronde 3 - Ladder 31:

Rush - Subdivisions
Porcupine Tree - Anesthetize
IQ - Frequency
Genesis - Duke's travels
Pink Floyd - Time
IQ - Headlong

Ronde 3 - Ladder 32:

Pink Floyd - Echoes
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Archive - Collapse/Collide
The Moody Blues - The Night: Nights in White Satin
Kino - Loser's Day Parade
Riverside - The Depth Of Self-Delusion

We hebben al een actieve deelnemersgroep en ieder ander heeft dit topic ook al bijna zeven maanden kunnen bewonderen, dus in principe hoeft er niemand meer getagd te worden. Maar toch, wellicht is deelname aan de Prog Ladder ook nog iets voor Aproxis of Outlaw104?

Als het om prog gaat, heb ik altijd interesse. Wat is precies de bedoeling? Val ik er niet een beetje middenin?

Ja, je valt er een beetje middenin, maar dat heeft als voordeel dat de rest het kaf al van het koren gescheiden heeft . We bepalen van hier af de volgorde van de bovenste 192 nummers van de MusicMeter Prog Top 300 - voorlopig door dagelijks zes nummers te rangschikken. Uitgebreidere uitleg hier.

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

Marillion - Blind Curve
The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind
Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel)
Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights
King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man
Opeth - Porcelain Heart

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

Reviews - de ontknoping begint inmiddels binnen 12 uur!

Liefhebbers mogen iets schrijven over:

Agalloch - In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion
Dream Theater - The Great Debate
Galahad - Richelieus Prayer
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
Uriah Heep - Return to fantasy

En ook nog steeds over:

Aragon - Rocking Horse
Fates Warning - The Ivory Gate of Dreams
Focus - Focus II
Gandalf - Departure
Haken - Falling Back to Earth
Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
Katatonia - In the White
La Coscienza di Zeno - Gatto Lupesco
Led Zeppelin - The Battle of Evermore
Mona Lisa - Créature de la steppe
Moonrise - Surrender to Win
Mystery - Wolf
Phish - Time Turns Elastic (#9)
Pinnacles - Better Than the Enemy
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
Resistor - Mimosa
Roger Waters - What God Wants (part 1)
Spock's Beard - Jaws of Heaven
Sylvan - In Between
The Lens - Frost & Fire * (26:30 tot 32:56)
The Mighty Bard - I Know
The Reasoning - The Nobody Effect
Tony Banks ft. Fish - Another Murder of a Day
White Willow - Paper Moon

Vanaf morgenochtend wordt de Top 300 hier stap voor stap bekendgemaakt.

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

4 Marillion - Blind Curve
1 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind
Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel)
3 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights
King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man
2 Opeth - Porcelain Heart

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

7 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights +4
5 Opeth - Porcelain Heart +3
4 Marillion - Blind Curve
3 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind +2
1 King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man +1
Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel)

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

20

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

8 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights 1
9 Opeth - Porcelain Heart 4
4 Marillion - Blind Curve
5 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind 2
4 King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man 3
Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel)

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

30

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

10 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights +2
12 Opeth - Porcelain Heart +3
8 Marillion - Blind Curve +4
6 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind +1
4 King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man
Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel)

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

40

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

13 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights +3
12 Opeth - Porcelain Heart
10 Marillion - Blind Curve +2
6 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind
5 King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man +1
4 Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel) +4

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

50

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

14 Marillion - Blind Curve +4
13 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights
12 Opeth - Porcelain Heart
8 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind +2
8 King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man +3
5 Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel) +1

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

60

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

16 Opeth - Porcelain Heart 4
15 Marillion - Blind Curve 1
13 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights
10 King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man 2
8 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind
8 Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel) 3

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

60

Clepsydra en Opeth verslaan Moody Blues, King Crimson en Kansas?!?!?
Wow, de leerlingen overtreffen de meesters

Ronde 3 - Ladder 1:

19 Marillion - Blind Curve 4
16 Opeth - Porcelain Heart
13 Clepsydra - Moonshine on Heights
11 King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man 1
11 The Moody Blues - Legend of a Mind 3
10 Kansas - Icarus (Borne on Wings of Steel) 2

Deadline: maandag 23 november, 19.00 uur

60

Mag ik me over deze twee parels buigen?!?
Lijkt mij dat ik de aangewezen fanboy hiervoor ben....

Uiteraard, ik zie ze graag in pm tegemoet!