Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy (2008)
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Label: Geffen
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Chinese Democracy (4:43)
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Shackler's Revenge (3:37)
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Better (4:59)
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Street of Dreams (5:01)
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If the World (5:10)
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There Was a Time (6:41)
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Catcher in the Rye (6:07)
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Scraped (3:41)
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Riad N' the Bedouins (4:10)
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Sorry (6:26)
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I.R.S. (4:22)
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Madagascar (6:07)
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This I Love (6:39)
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Prostitute (6:30)
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Guardian of Isis
geplaatst: 21 december 2008, 13:24 uur
Rolling Stone zet dat nieuwe album van Lil Wayne op #3 in de beste albums van 2008; duidelijk niet bepaald de beste bron om te raadplegen. 
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geplaatst: 21 december 2008, 14:11 uur
Maar het bewijst wel dat het album wel degelijk kwaliteiten heeft, want een rotslecht album komt niet in best of lijstjes! En misschien is dat album van "kleine warre" wel zo slecht nog niet voor een hiphopalbum, niet dat ik ernaar ga luisteren.
maar wie staat dan op nr. 1 in dat lijstje?
maar wie staat dan op nr. 1 in dat lijstje?
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Sir Spamalot (crew)
geplaatst: 21 december 2008, 14:27 uur
TV on the Radio: Dear Science. Nooit van gehoord...
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geplaatst: 21 december 2008, 17:51 uur
Volgens http://stereogum.com/archives/yearend-list/rolling-stones-top-50-albums-of-2008_040652.html is het No Age(ook nooit van gehoord )
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geplaatst: 21 december 2008, 18:05 uur
Dat is wel een erg sneu lijstje om eerlijk te zijn. Toont alleen maar weer aan dat Rolling Stone echt niets meer voorstelt en alleen nog maar bestaat om de gevestigde grote namen de hemel in te prijzen als ze weer eens iets nieuws uit brengen. Bah!
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geplaatst: 21 december 2008, 18:17 uur
Zo gaat dat als er groot geld mee gemoeid is.
Geld betekent macht en macht corrumpeert.
Altijd !
Geld betekent macht en macht corrumpeert.
Altijd !
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Guardian of Isis
geplaatst: 21 december 2008, 20:53 uur
hansjuvefan schreef:
Volgens http://stereogum.com/archives/yearend-list/rolling-stones-top-50-albums-of-2008_040652.html is het No Age(ook nooit van gehoord )
Lol, No Age staat op #50 en TV on the Radio is daar ook de #1. (quote)
Volgens http://stereogum.com/archives/yearend-list/rolling-stones-top-50-albums-of-2008_040652.html is het No Age(ook nooit van gehoord
)Om terug te komen op Chinese Democracy: het is niets nieuws onder de zon en op geen enkel moment weet Axl zijn nieuwe samenstelling me iets te doen. Ik blijf er dus bij: Het enige écht goeie album van Guns N' Roses is Appetite for Destruction.
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geplaatst: 22 december 2008, 10:41 uur
LucM schreef:
Opmerkelijk dat dit album in Belgische en Nederlandse (en Europese in het algemeen) recensies vrijwel unaniem negatief beoordeeld wordt, waar dat in de Verenigde Staten dit album wel gunstige kritieken krijgt (bij Rolling Stone staat het zelfs in de lijst van beste albums van 2008).
Opmerkelijk dat dit album in Belgische en Nederlandse (en Europese in het algemeen) recensies vrijwel unaniem negatief beoordeeld wordt, waar dat in de Verenigde Staten dit album wel gunstige kritieken krijgt (bij Rolling Stone staat het zelfs in de lijst van beste albums van 2008).
Ja, en daarom staat dit album in vrijwel alle beste albums lijsten van 2008 in the UK. Op Amazon heeft dit album een score van 4,0* na 126 recensies.
Nederland, Musicmeter: who cares?
Overigens verwacht ik dit album zeker in de top 50 van 2008 hier op Musicmeter....
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geplaatst: 23 december 2008, 15:58 uur
Okay...since I just got home to take a peek at what everyone is saying...I should address this.
MY OPINION:
AFD is a kick ass album. I am not discrediting it for its musicianship. It was groundbreaking and epic for its time. I could only imagine how it would have sounded with todays recording technology. Hell, since AXL has been working on this album we have had the invention of PROTOOLS. THe evolution of computer technology in modern recording. Editing procedures that can make any hooker with big boobs sound amazing.
For that matter, how would The Doors, Hendrix, The Byrds, Black Sabbath, and Zepplin sounded if they were around today? And, along those same lines...In todays music world...would any of the previously mentioned bands actually been signed to a record deal? Lets be realistic and answer this rhetorical question with a firm, "Probably not."
FOR THE HATERS
I also want to address the sheep who are slamming this album as being poorly done. What else out there today is better? Seattle is dead guys...Trust me when I say that Pioneer Square is filled with DJ music and hippity hop trash. LA is dead...there are one or two spots still there but, there is no way to grow a following with the way they do business there. NY city is the same as LA...SF is dead...rock clubs are closing to make way for martini bars and Britney Spears fans who are over 21 and into the dancing/Dj scene...We have failed as fans of musicians by letting this happen.
And, Lets be real. If you were in Axl's shoes...you would have quit cried and given up when Slash walked out. But, Axl had the balls to work his ass off for over 10 years making a fantastic album. Knowing he would be subject to ridicule like this. And, Even Matt Sorum said that at Least Axl rose can sell out a stadium just by mentioning he wants to tour. Velvet could have never done that.
DEAD ROSES
Now when it comes to my opinion CD is one of the best albums ever. I would have to say...thus far, it is the top. Not to take away from the previous works of GNR. Not to mention something better could always come out. But, for now...I am holding firm on this assertion. I would also have to agree and disagree with what others had posted about the DEAD ROSES years... Here is my take on them.
-AFD has a lot of filler music in it, and musically the artists in the group had not hit their thresh hold of what was possible for them. They were not even in their prime yet. Very sleezy and it had some great music. A complete rock anthem. It was by far epic and ahead of its time. A great overall album.
-UYI was a chance to record a completely amazing album....but, they made it into two albums and added a lot of fluff and filler. Civil war was fantastic. Nivember Rain still puts me in a depressed mood. And, I will say that the production quality was excellent. But, Axl do not ever try and RAP again. My world sucked.
-Spaghetti was a joke. I do not even need to say anymore on this subject. Thank God I never bought this album.
-Lies was very interesting though...something different.
-CD is complete from start to end...every single time. Not over-produced...honestly, I have heard over-produced (any Kanye West/Smashley Simpson/DRE album)...and under produced (Metallica's Death Regurgitation...I am still in shock but, at least they got rid of that god awful snare sound).
My point is simply this. This album is musically superior to anything the band had done before as an ALBUM (musically speaking). I know that the majority of you posting are Pro-Slash and want to believe the media hype or want to hold onto your jean jacket and white high top Nikes thinking it will go back to the way it once was...Cut your mullets and expand your musical horizons. Becuase the white High tops are not magical ruby red slippers that will take you back to high school.
And btw, Congratulations...you are sheep. Open your ears when you listen to this album...it is musically genius.
Honestly...I went into listening to this album thinking it would be another Brian Wilson fiasco. I was extremely skeptical. And, I would have agreed that AFD was the best album...until i was blown away by CD.
Do not be a sheep...Play this album for your friends...If they do not like it at first...keep playing it when they get in your car. It will grow on them.
Do your part...quit living in the past. This is what the evolution of art is all about. For fucks sake, some people thought that Monet's early works were brilliant. And, his later works did not become popular and famous until he was dead and buried. AFD will never be done again...and if Axl had done songs that sounded like AFD you would have called him a poser living in the past.
TO THOSE WHO WROTE KIND WORDS:
Thank you...and play the album for a few more friends. Fuck they are $10 at Best Buy...Buy them for a couple friends and spread the word.
MY OPINION:
AFD is a kick ass album. I am not discrediting it for its musicianship. It was groundbreaking and epic for its time. I could only imagine how it would have sounded with todays recording technology. Hell, since AXL has been working on this album we have had the invention of PROTOOLS. THe evolution of computer technology in modern recording. Editing procedures that can make any hooker with big boobs sound amazing.
For that matter, how would The Doors, Hendrix, The Byrds, Black Sabbath, and Zepplin sounded if they were around today? And, along those same lines...In todays music world...would any of the previously mentioned bands actually been signed to a record deal? Lets be realistic and answer this rhetorical question with a firm, "Probably not."
FOR THE HATERS
I also want to address the sheep who are slamming this album as being poorly done. What else out there today is better? Seattle is dead guys...Trust me when I say that Pioneer Square is filled with DJ music and hippity hop trash. LA is dead...there are one or two spots still there but, there is no way to grow a following with the way they do business there. NY city is the same as LA...SF is dead...rock clubs are closing to make way for martini bars and Britney Spears fans who are over 21 and into the dancing/Dj scene...We have failed as fans of musicians by letting this happen.
And, Lets be real. If you were in Axl's shoes...you would have quit cried and given up when Slash walked out. But, Axl had the balls to work his ass off for over 10 years making a fantastic album. Knowing he would be subject to ridicule like this. And, Even Matt Sorum said that at Least Axl rose can sell out a stadium just by mentioning he wants to tour. Velvet could have never done that.
DEAD ROSES
Now when it comes to my opinion CD is one of the best albums ever. I would have to say...thus far, it is the top. Not to take away from the previous works of GNR. Not to mention something better could always come out. But, for now...I am holding firm on this assertion. I would also have to agree and disagree with what others had posted about the DEAD ROSES years... Here is my take on them.
-AFD has a lot of filler music in it, and musically the artists in the group had not hit their thresh hold of what was possible for them. They were not even in their prime yet. Very sleezy and it had some great music. A complete rock anthem. It was by far epic and ahead of its time. A great overall album.
-UYI was a chance to record a completely amazing album....but, they made it into two albums and added a lot of fluff and filler. Civil war was fantastic. Nivember Rain still puts me in a depressed mood. And, I will say that the production quality was excellent. But, Axl do not ever try and RAP again. My world sucked.
-Spaghetti was a joke. I do not even need to say anymore on this subject. Thank God I never bought this album.
-Lies was very interesting though...something different.
-CD is complete from start to end...every single time. Not over-produced...honestly, I have heard over-produced (any Kanye West/Smashley Simpson/DRE album)...and under produced (Metallica's Death Regurgitation...I am still in shock but, at least they got rid of that god awful snare sound).
My point is simply this. This album is musically superior to anything the band had done before as an ALBUM (musically speaking). I know that the majority of you posting are Pro-Slash and want to believe the media hype or want to hold onto your jean jacket and white high top Nikes thinking it will go back to the way it once was...Cut your mullets and expand your musical horizons. Becuase the white High tops are not magical ruby red slippers that will take you back to high school.
And btw, Congratulations...you are sheep. Open your ears when you listen to this album...it is musically genius.
Honestly...I went into listening to this album thinking it would be another Brian Wilson fiasco. I was extremely skeptical. And, I would have agreed that AFD was the best album...until i was blown away by CD.
Do not be a sheep...Play this album for your friends...If they do not like it at first...keep playing it when they get in your car. It will grow on them.
Do your part...quit living in the past. This is what the evolution of art is all about. For fucks sake, some people thought that Monet's early works were brilliant. And, his later works did not become popular and famous until he was dead and buried. AFD will never be done again...and if Axl had done songs that sounded like AFD you would have called him a poser living in the past.
TO THOSE WHO WROTE KIND WORDS:
Thank you...and play the album for a few more friends. Fuck they are $10 at Best Buy...Buy them for a couple friends and spread the word.
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geplaatst: 23 december 2008, 16:45 uur
Beetje flauw om mensen die dit album niks vinden schapen te noemen.
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geplaatst: 23 december 2008, 16:48 uur
Raffa schreef:
Thank you...and play the album for a few more friends. Fuck they are $10 at Best Buy...Buy them for a couple friends and spread the word.
Thank you...and play the album for a few more friends. Fuck they are $10 at Best Buy...Buy them for a couple friends and spread the word.
En dan die bekeringsdrang.
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haveman
geplaatst: 23 december 2008, 17:02 uur
Die bekeringsdrang van veel mensen hier snap ik ook niet.
Wat maakt het uit als veel mensen dit niet goed vinden, als je er zelf van kan genieten is dat toch genoeg?
Wat maakt het uit als veel mensen dit niet goed vinden, als je er zelf van kan genieten is dat toch genoeg?
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geplaatst: 23 december 2008, 17:06 uur
Leer er nog toch eens gewoon met leven: 15 jaar op je honger wachte en dan deze kutplaat voorgeschoteld krijgen... FACE IT!
Op naar de volgende, die mss/wellicht beter zal zijn! (vergelijk het een beetje met St.Anger)
Op naar de volgende, die mss/wellicht beter zal zijn! (vergelijk het een beetje met St.Anger)
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 00:22 uur
wat een hoop gezeik hier. CD wordt met iedere draaibeurt beter; zal er eens een halve ster boven op doen.
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 10:18 uur
AGE-411 schreef:
Wij. En jij kennelijk niet. Waarom zit je hier dan nog?
Wij. En jij kennelijk niet. Waarom zit je hier dan nog?
Om jou en andere pathetic 0,5 / 1,0 stemmers een beetje in toom te houden....
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 10:19 uur
Kronos schreef:
Ik zie 3.5* na 180 reacties op Amazon.com.
You?
Ik zie 3.5* na 180 reacties op Amazon.com.
(quote)
You?
Beste Kronos, luisteren lukt al niet zo goed, lezen nu ook niet.
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Casartelli (moderator)
geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 10:29 uur
...door de terreur van de middelmaat te prediken...
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Guardian of Isis
geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 11:31 uur
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 13:19 uur
west schreef:
Om jou en andere pathetic 0,5 / 1,0 stemmers een beetje in toom te houden....
(quote)
Om jou en andere pathetic 0,5 / 1,0 stemmers een beetje in toom te houden....
Ik vind jou eerder 'pathetic'. Moeten we het dan allemaal goed gaan vinden?
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 14:43 uur
Misschien heb jij niet goed gelezen. Op amazon.com (niet amazon.co.uk) is de waardering en het aantal stemmen wat ik heb aangegeven. De stemgemiddelden liggen overigens altijd vrij hoog op amazon. Meestal een minder betrouwbare bron dan MusicMeter.
Maar iedereen zal albums hebben die qua stemgemiddelde op zo'n site helemaal niet overeenkomen met de eigen waardering ervoor. Bij Guns N' Roses zit het hier naar mijn gevoel wel juist. Appetite for Destruction staat nr. 52 in de top 250 en heeft een stemgemiddelde van 3.84. Dan kan je toch moeilijk beweren dat "MusicMeter" per definitie anti Guns N' Roses is.
Chinese Democracy is voor velen gewoon niet meer dan een slecht tot matig album. Niets aan te doen, ook niet voor those who care.
En luister jij wel goed? Discussie over stemgedrag werd al verschillende weken terug verplaatst naar het forum.
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 21:36 uur
Kronos schreef:
Misschien heb jij niet goed gelezen. Op amazon.com (niet amazon.co.uk) is de waardering en het aantal stemmen wat ik heb aangegeven. De stemgemiddelden liggen overigens altijd vrij hoog op amazon. Meestal een minder betrouwbare bron dan MusicMeter.
En luister jij wel goed? Discussie over stemgedrag werd al verschillende weken terug verplaatst naar het forum.
(quote)
Misschien heb jij niet goed gelezen. Op amazon.com (niet amazon.co.uk) is de waardering en het aantal stemmen wat ik heb aangegeven. De stemgemiddelden liggen overigens altijd vrij hoog op amazon. Meestal een minder betrouwbare bron dan MusicMeter.
En luister jij wel goed? Discussie over stemgedrag werd al verschillende weken terug verplaatst naar het forum.
Ah, nu heb je wel goed gelezen: ik had het inderdaad over de UK.
Ik reageerde op een andere user, die aangaf dat in Europa niemand dit goed vond.
Maar ook merry X-mas to you, Kronos!
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 21:39 uur
Nee hoor, maar 0,5 / 1,0 stemmen op dit album - en overigens op de meeste albums - slaat nergens op. Als ik jou ergens anders tegenkom, zie ik je ook niet zo extreem doen Kaztor.
Maar ook voor jou: een vredig en rockvol kerstmis!
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 21:40 uur
Casartelli schreef:
...door de terreur van de middelmaat te prediken...
(quote)
...door de terreur van de middelmaat te prediken...
Ha: die is goed!
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 21:43 uur
Raffa schreef:
FOR THE HATERS
I also want to address the sheep who are slamming this album as being poorly done. What else out there today is better? Seattle is dead guys...Trust me when I say that Pioneer Square is filled with DJ music and hippity hop trash. LA is dead...there are one or two spots still there but, there is no way to grow a following with the way they do business there. NY city is the same as LA...SF is dead...rock clubs are closing to make way for martini bars and Britney Spears fans who are over 21 and into the dancing/Dj scene...We have failed as fans of musicians by letting this happen.
And, Lets be real. If you were in Axl's shoes...you would have quit cried and given up when Slash walked out. But, Axl had the balls to work his ass off for over 10 years making a fantastic album. Knowing he would be subject to ridicule like this. And, Even Matt Sorum said that at Least Axl rose can sell out a stadium just by mentioning he wants to tour. Velvet could have never done that.
FOR THE HATERS
I also want to address the sheep who are slamming this album as being poorly done. What else out there today is better? Seattle is dead guys...Trust me when I say that Pioneer Square is filled with DJ music and hippity hop trash. LA is dead...there are one or two spots still there but, there is no way to grow a following with the way they do business there. NY city is the same as LA...SF is dead...rock clubs are closing to make way for martini bars and Britney Spears fans who are over 21 and into the dancing/Dj scene...We have failed as fans of musicians by letting this happen.
And, Lets be real. If you were in Axl's shoes...you would have quit cried and given up when Slash walked out. But, Axl had the balls to work his ass off for over 10 years making a fantastic album. Knowing he would be subject to ridicule like this. And, Even Matt Sorum said that at Least Axl rose can sell out a stadium just by mentioning he wants to tour. Velvet could have never done that.
Amen!
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geplaatst: 24 december 2008, 21:45 uur
west schreef:
ik had het inderdaad over de UK.
ik had het inderdaad over de UK.
Jij wel, maar ik niet. Dat jij daar van uitging is jouw vergissing.
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